Excessive or reasonable charges for managed SIPP?
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Sorry I don't understand the maths on the above. If the SIPP platform charge is nearly half of the 0.11% total then that would be 0.05% platform and 0.06% for the weighted average fund manager costs?
I get sub-0.1% on my trading account because it contains the same HSBC stock funds, no gilt funds, and because it's in iWeb, no annual platform fee either. And sub-0.1% on my ISA for the same reason. It's just the SIPP overhead that pushes me above 0.1%.
I also have a US pension, from time spent working there. It's a megacorp plan, so nice access to 'institutional' class investments. The charge I pay on this one, similarly globally diversified, is a truly skimpy 0.03% (not a typo!).0 -
Thank you for the replies.
I have dropped the IFA a note to ask them to explain their fee structure because I am not sure where the fund management charges are coming from. Maybe the 1.6% figure includes that, in which case it sounds ok (I guess?) if that also includes the platform fees and advisor fees.
I am happy to pay someone to manage my portolio, I don't have the time to do it myself, but just want to make sure I am not being ripped off. I am wondering if they have a tiered fee structure that reduces in percentage terms as the fund grows. I'll see if I can find out. I'm due an annual review so will give the guy a grilling.
Just FYI, these are the asset classes I am invested in:- Money Market Instruments (Inc Cash) 0.43% £1,504.47
- Bonds 19.99% £70,751.81
- UK Equities 19.94% £70,567.36
- Overseas Equities 49.72% £175,941.55
- Specialist 9.92% £35,085.16
- Total 100.00% £353,850.35
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Why not ask how these funds performed against benchmarks (boring low cost index funds)? For an 80/20 portfolio recent performance you reported seems very poor. Nice if you have 10 years’ worth of data but even 3 years should tell a story.
Also, what is “specialist”? Is that also UK stock and REITs? I’d say you have way too much in Britain, given its weight in world cap, but it’s just me.0 -
Maybe this will help, not sure how well formatted this will be, hopefully you get the idea:
Money Market Instruments (Inc Cash) Instrument Code Description % of Portfolio GBPCash GBP Cash 0.43% Total: 0.43% Managed Portfolios Instrument Code Description 93052 PFM Medium Bonds Instrument Code Description % of Portfolio BUH5.LN Artemis High Income I Inc 10.02% 11VO.LN AXA Framlington Mgd Inc Z Gr Acc 10.06% Total: 20.08% Overseas Equities Instrument Code Description % of Portfolio N204.LN Janus Henderson ErpGt I A 4.88% 0ZCJ.LN M&G North American Dividend I Acc G 10.07% GO2Q.LN FP WHEB Sustainability C Acc 4.92% G19C.LN HSBC American Index C Acc 5.05% 09QS.LN Jupiter Japan Income I Acc 5.05% GMUE.LN Fidelity Asia W Acc 5.04% J8GC.LN Natixis LS U.S. Eq Ldrs N/A GBP 5.02% JOVD.LN Schroder European L Acc 4.88% JOWH.LN Schroder Asian Income L Acc 5.01% Total: 49.92% Specialist Instrument Code Description % of Portfolio K7JT.LN Kames Property Income Feeder Acc B 4.98% MQEZ.LN BMO UK Property Feeder 2 Acc 4.97% Total: 9.95% UK Equities Instrument Code Description % of Portfolio L532.LN LF Lindsell Train UK Equity Acc 5.09% 0A3M.LN LF Miton UK Multi Cap Inc B I Acc 4.93% JOVL.LN Schroder Income L Acc 4.89% OAFU.LN Trojan Income X Acc 5.12% Total: 20.03%
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Yes, “specialist” = UK property. UK represents 38% of your non-bond investment. I am guessing UK makes up 6% of the world cap. You have a very heavy home bias. Some is justified but this is too much.0
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My view is that portfolio looks way too complicated and at your account valuation you would probably do better with a low cost global equities fund and a low cost hedged global bond fund which would be very easy to manage yourself.0
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im keen to find out more about a DIY SIPP, any pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated!0
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My view is that portfolio looks way too complicated and at your account valuation you would probably do better with a low cost global equities fund and a low cost hedged global bond fund which would be very easy to manage yourself.
Thank you, I am starting to think that myself, any particular funds I should take a look at?0 -
Just following up on this, I asked my IFA for an explanation of their fees, here's an extract from their (quite lengthy) reply:The charges are as follows;
- PFM Associates Wealth Management Service – 1% per annum based on the fund value and is paid monthly
- Standard Life Platform Charge – Based on the current value this is 0.35% per annum paid monthly
While, as you have seen, these charges are deducted directly from the capital in your pension, in addition there are underlying costs associated with the funds selected in your portfolio. These charges would be different over any given time period and will depend on the activity within each fund. The annual cost of these charges is estimated to be 0.8% at present for the portfolio of funds we have built. These charges are not deducted from your fund value but are incurred within each of the collective investment funds, in which you and many other investors hold capital and are reflected in the performance achieved by the funds.
Having had a look at performance and as part of our monthly Investment Committee meetings and ongoing research, particularly taking in to account the investment volatility in 2018, we are satisfied with the returns achieved by the portfolio, especially over the longer term and with the positioning of the portfolio at this time. With a longer term outlook there will be years with better performance than others and of course performance does not occur uniformly. 2018 was a good example of a year when equity performance, generally speaking, suffered and this was particularly true of the volatility experienced in quarter four, due to a number of influential factors. Compared to the investment markets in general we were happy with how the portfolio behaved in this environment. We anticipate that given the current position in the economic cycle and the issues facing investment markets globally, that returns are likely to more modest and for there to be periods of increased volatility in the shorter term. Of course the objectives are for the longer term as set out as part of the recommendations.
You have achieved returns on average of 7.31% per annum over the last 3 years after all charges. We believe this represents a good return from a well diversified and managed portfolio, particularly given the backdrop during that time.
PFM charges remain as they are above based on managing the overall capital invested and not based on the growth achieved. The overall charges noted do also include the initial fees taken for the advice provided and set up etc.
There's couple things I think I would like them to clarify:
1) Is there a point where the "initial fees" have been paid off and a reduction in monthly fees seen?
2) Do they provide a tiered charging structure, so as the fund grows I move onto a lower percentage charging tier?
It seems if they charge a flat 1% then they'll be taking more and more in fees as my fund grows. If they don't provide a tiered structure, would I be better off moving to another IFA? My worry then is that I will incur another set of "initial fees".
What I'm trying to figure out is whether I should stay with this IFA (and continue to remain signed up to their wealth management service), or whether I should try and find an IFA that will provide a similar service, with a simpler portfolio (i.e. not invested in 18 funds), and hopefully not charge so much. I think I would be happy with a tiered fee structure. I am happy to pay for advice and on-going management, I just don't want to over-pay!
Is there an IFA comparison site anywhere, a bit like comparethemarket?0
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