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  • Pollycat
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    grayme-m wrote: »
    It is just what this thread was about before it got derailed to condemn the source.

    I keep trying to bring it back on track.

    OK.
    Do you have an alternative source about cruelty to birds in making feather/down coats, jackets, pillows & duvets?

    I did see a jacket in a charity shop (made in China, looked expensive) that said it was stuffed with owl feathers. :eek:
    I was quite shocked.
  • grayme-m
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    Pollycat wrote: »
    OK.
    Do you have an alternative source about cruelty to birds in making feather/down coats, jackets, pillows & duvets?

    I did see a jacket in a charity shop (made in China, looked expensive) that said it was stuffed with owl feathers. :eek:
    I was quite shocked.

    A selection from the first two pages of a Google search, passing over PETA. I've kept the one in from the Daily Hate as while I personally think it's a sign of what's gone wrong with the world, this time their point seems valid (like PETA's).

    It's certainly served as a good reminder to think before I buy.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/down-comforters-animal-cruelty_n_1224517.html

    http://www.40lives.org/?lang=en

    http://www.earthbyanna.com/down-on-down-the-cruelty-free-alternatives/

    http://gentleworld.org/how-down-feathers-are-collected/

    https://www.thealternativedaily.com/need-know-feathers-comforter-came/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2240096/Feathers-ripped-birds-backs-gaping-wounds-sewn-pain-relief-The-barbaric-cost-winter-coat.html
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  • Pollycat
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    grayme-m wrote: »
    A selection from the first two pages of a Google search, passing over PETA. I've kept the one in from the Daily Hate as while I personally think it's a sign of what's gone wrong with the world, this time their point seems valid (like PETA's).

    It's certainly served as a good reminder to think before I buy.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/down-comforters-animal-cruelty_n_1224517.html

    http://www.40lives.org/?lang=en

    http://www.earthbyanna.com/down-on-down-the-cruelty-free-alternatives/

    http://gentleworld.org/how-down-feathers-are-collected/

    https://www.thealternativedaily.com/need-know-feathers-comforter-came/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2240096/Feathers-ripped-birds-backs-gaping-wounds-sewn-pain-relief-The-barbaric-cost-winter-coat.html
    Had time to look at those links.
    Some seem to be old, ranging from 2012
    Plucking of live birds seems to be mainly in Poland, China, Hungary.

    IKEA and Patagonia are duvet brands who (at the time of the article in Jan 2012 anyway) "have taken a firm stance on the issue and are transparent about exactly how the down and feathers in their products was harvested".

    Debenhams, TKMaxx, Selfridges, The White Company & Argos are all doing various positive things about not using down from live plucked or force-fed birds.
    Duvets are mentioned specifically, not sure if this extends to coats/jackets.

    3rd link is run by an Aussie and gives recommendations for products available in Australia.

    4th link dated 2013.

    5th link dated 2016. States "In the United States and much of Europe, the practice of live-plucking feathers from birds is banned."

    6th link - The Daily Mail is the 2nd earliest 28/11/2012.

    No idea what the current situation is.
    Does anyone else?
    Maybe the OP could return to the thread and tell us what prompted him/her to start the thread.

    I agree it's a dreadfully cruel process (as is lots of other animal related things).

    I would always check before I bought.

    Hence my earlier comment about owl feathers from this thread, I posted on 8/11/2017:
    Pollycat wrote: »
    Meant to say earlier on that I saw a 'puffer' jacket in BHF.
    It said something like 'super-packable' and was very lightweight.

    I looked at the label and it was (I think) a man's name that I didn't recognise but it was made in China.

    Label said 90% down and..........10% owl feathers! :eek:
    Honestly.

    I've never heard of this before.
    Note the country of manufacture.

    I would never have bought that coat or anything similar.

    My opinion on PETA hasn't changed.
  • MothballsWallet
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    PETA's second in command, Mary Beth Sweetman, is a diabetic.

    She is more than happy to take insulin, which was tested and made with animal products, to keep her alive so she can run PETA with Ingrid.

    Also, PETA gave money to the legal defence fund for Rodney Coronado, a convicted arsonist tied to the Animal Liberation Front.

    They gave the money to Rodney's father who, according to his testimony, refused it.
  • grayme-m
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    Pollycat wrote: »
    Had time to look at those links.
    Some seem to be old, ranging from 2012
    Plucking of live birds seems to be mainly in Poland, China, Hungary.

    IKEA and Patagonia are duvet brands who (at the time of the article in Jan 2012 anyway) "have taken a firm stance on the issue and are transparent about exactly how the down and feathers in their products was harvested".

    Debenhams, TKMaxx, Selfridges, The White Company & Argos are all doing various positive things about not using down from live plucked or force-fed birds.
    Duvets are mentioned specifically, not sure if this extends to coats/jackets.

    3rd link is run by an Aussie and gives recommendations for products available in Australia.

    4th link dated 2013.

    5th link dated 2016. States "In the United States and much of Europe, the practice of live-plucking feathers from birds is banned."

    6th link - The Daily Mail is the 2nd earliest 28/11/2012.

    No idea what the current situation is.
    Does anyone else?
    Maybe the OP could return to the thread and tell us what prompted him/her to start the thread.

    I agree it's a dreadfully cruel process (as is lots of other animal related things).

    I would always check before I bought.

    Hence my earlier comment about owl feathers from this thread, I posted on 8/11/2017:

    Note the country of manufacture.

    I would never have bought that coat or anything similar.

    My opinion on PETA hasn't changed.

    Can't argue with any of that.

    I'll move on now as it's gone back to PETA itself.
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  • Pollycat
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    grayme-m wrote: »
    Can't argue with any of that.

    I'll move on now as it's gone back to PETA itself.

    I don't think it really has gone back to PETA.
    It's just unfortunate that the OP used a link to that organisation as some people clearly don't have a high opinion of them.

    I'm quite interested to know what the current situation is with this 'live plucking'.
    Are companies signing up to the 'no live plucking' or was it just lip service when it was brought out in the open 5 or so years ago?
    I know M&S sell feather/down coats, I might see what the label says next time I'm near.
  • Pollycat
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    This is a current link (Nov 2017) listing brands that 'are ditching down' - not just using non-live plucking:
    https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/major-brands-ditching-down/
    I know it's PETA but I thought it interesting.

    Of course, being cynical, there are some companies on there that possibly wouldn't be using down anyway.
    I'm nor sure if Doc Marten have any products that include down.

    M&S do a range of different down & feather coats & jackets but don't say anything on their website about how the down is obtained.
  • grayme-m
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    I was referring to MothballsWallet's post which was about PETA.

    M&S claim they do not use live plucking or foie gras: https://corporate.marksandspencer.com/documents/plan-a-2015/general-merchandise-animal-welfare-policy.pdf

    http://www.ethicalconsumer.org seems to do a comprehensive review of retailers, however I haven't confirmed their authority or independence.

    It would seem very few companies are using live plucking these days.
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  • forgotmyname
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    Think someone was a few years too late starting this thread.

    If the OP wants something to really get worked up about, I have watched a documentary with secret camera's in China where a large open market had dogs hanging up alive and being skinned.

    Now that would be something to bring to peoples attention, but you couldnt show people pictures of it.

    Its not something you can unsee.
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  • Pollycat
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    forgotmyname wrote: »
    Think someone was a few years too late starting this thread.

    If the OP wants something to really get worked up about, I have watched a documentary with secret camera's in China where a large open market had dogs hanging up alive and being skinned.

    Now that would be something to bring to peoples attention, but you couldnt show people pictures of it.

    Its not something you can unsee.
    I heard this being discussed on one of the daytime programs earlier this week.
    grayme-m wrote: »
    M&S claim they do not use live plucking or foie gras: https://corporate.marksandspencer.com/documents/plan-a-2015/general-merchandise-animal-welfare-policy.pdf
    That's good to know.
    I looked at the individual garment descriptions.
    grayme-m wrote: »
    It would seem very few companies are using live plucking these days.
    Let's hope so.
    But can we be assured that cheap stuff being imported from countries like China is the same?
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