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  • Doozergirl
    Doozergirl Posts: 33,813 Forumite
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    I can't see which house you're linking to, but please don't do it.

    Looking at those houss prices you can buy a bigger house with less money and less trouble. You'll never see a penny back of what you spend even with full building regulations and doing it yourself and you won't enjoy the space either.

    Take it as the friendly advice it's intended to be. I really don't want to pee on your party but this is MSE.
    Everything that is supposed to be in heaven is already here on earth.
  • sevenhills
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    Doozergirl wrote: »
    You'll never see a penny back of what you spend even with full building regulations and doing it yourself and you won't enjoy the space either.

    Take it as the friendly advice it's intended to be. I really don't want to pee on your party but this is MSE.


    When I got the £29k quote, I thought the conversion would not happen, but I persevered and thought I was the type of person to make use of an extra room.
    But now I am thinking there is too much work to make a decent room, at a reasonable cost.
    The example below is of a neighbouring property that has had non-habitable room installed, its rather poor.


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  • dunroving
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    sevenhills wrote: »
    The stairs come up via 2 long cupboards in the landing, central or almost. Space is tight.

    I do intend to live here until the foreseeable future. I am not bothered about adding value, but neither do I want to waste my money.
    There are 3 other houses of the same type with either bedrooms or non-habitable rooms in their loft space.

    Thanks for your input.


    Here is a similar house, which is a poor example of a good loft.


    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=32409021&sale=53665314&country=england

    FYI, I've found that links from Rightmove "Sold prices" house pages don't work.

    Looking at the photo, there's no way I'd pay £29k for that pokey little room.
    (Nearly) dunroving
  • sevenhills
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    Doozergirl wrote: »
    Mark out on the floor where the bed goes and then mark out the route to get the bed. What's the space, headheight like where it isn't going to be raised?


    I had a chat with my new next door neighbour today, he showed me around his loft conversion of some 15/20 years ago. He said it didnt comply with regulations and if he sold it, he would have to sell it as a two bedroomed.
    The whole house is 'new' so it was nice, but the loft was very cramped.
    It had a real staircase, but it did make the bedroom much smaller; the chimney stack also made the bedroom loft very cramped.
    Removing the chimney would be a must.
  • ronan01
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    Hiring a different people like architect and engineers, etc for one project will increase hurdles instead of that you should choose one company which can handle the full project and all works for you. Generally, loft conversion cost £20-45,000 and 4-8 weeks of work.
  • Furts
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    ronan01 wrote: »
    Hiring a different people like architect and engineers, etc for one project will increase hurdles instead of that you should choose one company which can handle the full project and all works for you. Generally, loft conversion cost £20-45,000 and 4-8 weeks of work.


    100% pure nonsense, peddled all too frquently by cowboys, spivs and all round conmen and conwomen.
  • bigisi
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    Furts wrote: »
    100% pure nonsense, peddled all too frquently by cowboys, spivs and all round conmen and conwomen.

    Judging by the website in his profile he fits all of those.

    Reported all his posts for spamming.
  • sevenhills
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    dunroving wrote: »
    Looking at the photo, there's no way I'd pay £29k for that pokey little room.


    Yes, even spending £5,000 is questionable unless its going to be really needed.
    I did have a quote just to board out and a new loft hatch for £1,000.
    Since my cash is committed elesewhere at the moment I thought I would just board it out myself.
    But it has been pertially boarded before, I just assumed that it would need boarding on the highest beam. There are only 2 beams going accross, is that all that is holding it up, lol


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    But as you can see from the photo, that is not the case.
    I am also surprised that the chimney is leaning. When I look at other houses of the same design, their chimney is on the far side of the peak of the roof, whereas mine straddles the roof. It was built in the 60s, so I guess its ok.
    If I ever make a better job of it, the chimney will have to come out.
  • Alan_F_Y
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    Hi Guys
    Just wanted to share my Loft Conversion experience with all of you and hope potential customers know what they are getting themselves into.


    LMB Contract / REF number: 2016-10-0338

    I'm a bit tired of some of the 'over positive' reviews on LMB Group on the internet and a significant amount of people contacting me because of their problems with them even to this day. I another just a had a correspondence today asking for help so decided to publish this. Several thousand people have read my reviews but the facts are that currently LMB Group, or formally LMB Loft Conversions or LMB Lofts limited or Addiscombe Building Contractors Limited all had the same MD and the same corresponding office address but of course none of the above named are related! However, more importantly, potential customers may or may not be covered under their so called '10 year insurance guarantee' if they change and they liquidate their company again.

    But here are some facts of what happened on our work:
    - Rear ground extension - Project management non existent. Builders hadn’t a clue how big the door opening should be , and could not even build symmetrical parallel walls - out by 3-4 cm at widest point (slight problem for floor tiler!)
    - Rear extension roof taking around 2 weeks to do yet left unfinished. and not properly done
    - Lintel for rear extension left dangerous and undone. (At least they could've put the bricks back!).
    - MD Lee Murphy Constantly demanding money even when next stage of contract had not been completed (in this case , stairs needed to be completed for next payment). According to two surveyors before stairs were in, the whole loft extension should of had a water tight roof and insulated walls before stair installation. This a standard regulation in the industry which should of been implemented here before installation and demanding of money.
    - Theft of items on site by contractors with police called. Mr Murphy even went to his carpenter accusing me of stealing his items! I even have the carpenters Whatsapp messages calling me ‘evil’ to prove this!!!!!!!
    - Inadequate equipment supplied to LMB staff with carpenter falling off unstable ladder. Even had to help the roofer to the car and help him with certain aspects of work, all of which I should not have done!
    - Roofing beams for rear extension slope roof not even touching walls. So had to force Lee to get it done properly. Why was I in this position in the first place?
    - An enormous amount of rubbish on scaffolding. yet refused to get a skip claiming he hasn't got enough money for skip or materials ( receipt docs and can be easily proven with Whatsapp messages). Rubble subsequently fell from there narrowly missing my father.
    - Contractors CONSTANTLY complaining of NOT GETTING PAID. How the hell does that make us feel after giving money to LMB?????!!!!! Even had to pay one of the contractors directly and minus it of the total amount owed to LMB. Ridiculous. This can be proven with signed receipts from them and him

    After giving up on LMB I decided to pull the contract. After which:
    - Threats by his solicitor trying to take me to court even when next stage of hadn't been completed (as per contract). As in the letter , apparently I gave no reason as to pulling the job ?! More lies fed to the solicitor I guess.
    - BTW, Lee don’t be childish by showing your solicitor John all the nice conversations we had. If you want, talk to me face to face and don’t hide behind your solicitor and we can go to court and ask Whatsap for full undeleted transcripts.
    - Lee Murphy had threats to take scaffolding down when roof hadn't been completed or sealed watertight when two elderly pensioners reside inside.
    - Claimed he owned the materials on the driveway , so decided to take them away. so Police were called. He even took the staircase , claiming it was his :-) Proof of how I paid for it, I easily can be prove in court . Even have Lee on CCTV and microphone on drive him taking the stuff which I will release when necessary.
    - Also, he told his workers to call me to offer a service to finish the job for double the price with him taking his cut. They can all back me up. Disgusting.

    There is actually a lot more I could write up on...and all will come out in due course with the necessary evidence(or/if this goes to court). All of above can be proved with screenshots of FULL Whatsapp messages, text messages, CCTV recordings, police reference numbers, etc... and Mr Murphy cannot refute any of it

    As of yet Mr Lee Murphy has yet to take me to court or follow through with threat. That's the power of the freedom of speech and truth.


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  • ed110220
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    I won't comment on whether the loft conversion is a good idea in itself, but if you do I would definitely take that chimney out. That would eliminate a source of leaks in the roof, draughts, and slow you to take it out downstairs and so recover space and change room layouts if you want.
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