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    • kpwll
    • By kpwll 18th Jul 14, 10:06 PM
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    stop/start
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    stop/start 18th Jul 14 at 10:06 PM
    Can you please tell me if you can turn off or over-ride a stop/start facility on any/all cars with this function? Thank you.
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 18th Jul 14, 10:24 PM
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    Usually yes you can disable it. But you may have to disable it before every journey.
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 18th Jul 14, 10:25 PM
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    You generally can, but depending on your driving style you may never activate the function anyway - you have to take your car out of gear, footbrake on, and foot off clutch.
  • 4743hudsonj
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    • 18th Jul 14, 10:56 PM
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    • 18th Jul 14, 10:56 PM
    Some "eco" branded cars you cannot override the system. It activates/deactivates when conditions are correct.

    My Octavia Greenline has this sort of system with no way to override (although non-greenline Octavia do have an override). My Skoda shares the same DNA with VW Bluemotions so i imagine these are similar.

    Out of interest, what is your reservation? I have never heard a reasonable explanation for not wanting these systems. All people say is "i don't like them" but no one can explain why.
    Back by no demand whatsoever.
    • kpwll
    • By kpwll 18th Jul 14, 11:11 PM
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    Some "eco" branded cars you cannot override the system. It activates/deactivates when conditions are correct.

    My Octavia Greenline has this sort of system with no way to override (although non-greenline Octavia do have an override). My Skoda shares the same DNA with VW Bluemotions so i imagine these are similar.

    Out of interest, what is your reservation? I have never heard a reasonable explanation for not wanting these systems. All people say is "i don't like them" but no one can explain why.
    Originally posted by 4743hudsonj

    No reservations as such (although in the winter I do like the heater on whilst waiting to pick up the grandsons), it was just a discussion between hubby and me
    • daveyjp
    • By daveyjp 18th Jul 14, 11:12 PM
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    You can on our Mercedes, but as others have said it doesn't take much to ensure the system kick in even though it is operating.

    I have found no reason not to use the system. It works and doesn't impede me in any way.
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    • 18th Jul 14, 11:20 PM
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    No reservations as such (although in the winter I do like the heater on whilst waiting to pick up the grandsons), it was just a discussion between hubby and me
    Originally posted by kpwll
    Most systems will not work whilst the engine is warming to normal operating temperature so either your car should already be warm or the system will not kick in.
    Back by no demand whatsoever.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 18th Jul 14, 11:22 PM
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    No reservations as such (although in the winter I do like the heater on whilst waiting to pick up the grandsons), it was just a discussion between hubby and me
    Originally posted by kpwll
    The cabin would not get instantly cold.
    • kpwll
    • By kpwll 18th Jul 14, 11:29 PM
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    The cabin would not get instantly cold.
    Originally posted by DUTR
    I'm probably going to get shot down in flames for this but I have to wait between 10 & 20 mins for them to come out of school and due to illness do not tolerate cold or getting chilled very well. I will add that I do feel guilty when keeping the engine running.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 18th Jul 14, 11:43 PM
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    I'm probably going to get shot down in flames for this but I have to wait between 10 & 20 mins for them to come out of school and due to illness do not tolerate cold or getting chilled very well. I will add that I do feel guilty when keeping the engine running.
    Originally posted by kpwll
    I won't shoot you down, even after 10 mins the cabin will not be cold, however the vehicle will automatically put the engine back on if needs be, doesn't the car have heated seats and steering wheel too?
    • pulliptears
    • By pulliptears 19th Jul 14, 12:04 AM
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    Fiat 500 driver, there is a button on the dash to disable but you need to press it before every journey.

    Mine also doesn't kick in until the car is warm but I mostly keep it turned off simply because I can't get my head around that stalled feeling lol
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    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 19th Jul 14, 12:13 AM
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    Fiat 500 driver, there is a button on the dash to disable but you need to press it before every journey.

    Mine also doesn't kick in until the car is warm but I mostly keep it turned off simply because I can't get my head around that stalled feeling lol
    Originally posted by pulliptears
    Once you pass the ludite stage, you wonder why other cars don't have it, it seems starnge to be sat at traffic lights for 2 mins with the engine running unnecessarily. In a manula I understand the car has to be in neutral, however it restarts as soon as the clutch is depressed, , some cars the footbrake has to be held on, others as like an auto, as soon as the accelerator is touched the vehicle restarts, I have not come across a situation where it is best disabled yet.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 19th Jul 14, 1:40 AM
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    Only ever sat in one car with stop/start and that was a 3L. There was a switch on the dash called Eco which controlled Stop/Start and also cut the BHP from 70 to just 41.

    No wonder it achieved 117MPG and is still the world record holder for miles per gallon on an actual road.
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 19th Jul 14, 4:40 AM
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    Once you pass the ludite stage, you wonder why other cars don't have it
    Originally posted by DUTR
    Here's my guess:


    Given that with modern technology and appropriately-specified components (mainly battery capacity, alternator power and starter motor durability) there is no reason not to have stop/start ...


    ...except that for over 100 years, the main worry about having a car is 'will it start?' Adverts still contain lines like 'starts first time', which with modern machinery should be fairly redundant. Deliberately stopping the car in traffic seems to go against a century of motoring wisdom. I think it will take a while for this to be overcome.


    And not necessarily Luddite, either: the whole stop/start thing depends on the engine being in a perfect state of tune, and when a car is new it is brilliant. But after 100k miles, with worn injectors, bores, valves etc, will it be such a good idea? For use in traffic, the re-start must be instant. A car that has to churn on the starter for a few seconds, as many older cars do, would be a liability if it did that a hundred times a day in city traffic. I can see why people are not keen.
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    • gilbert and sullivan
    • By gilbert and sullivan 19th Jul 14, 5:08 AM
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    Good post Richard.

    Just to add, the starting charging systems on these vehicles have no doubt been designed to cope (well thats what they will tell us), but i don't hear of any makers putting money where mouth is by offering 10 year warranties on the system and its components, and i fully expect the cost of replacement starters etc to far outweigh the savings made over time.

    If people want stopstart and thinks its good, great, buy into it and use it, but some people can't accept that not all of us are actually impressed in any way by these latest techonologies, just something else, unecessary, to go expensively wrong...electric parking brake another example.
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 19th Jul 14, 5:40 AM
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    Which of course means that more cars will be scrapped when they are otherwise fine, just because something vital has gone wrong and it will cost more than the car is worth to put it right. Ironic when the whole idea of stop/start is to help the environment.
    Meanwhile, the Series 2 Land Rover, most of whose environmental costs are decades in the past, chugs on, being repaired as needed, usually by the owner.
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    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 19th Jul 14, 8:46 AM
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    Good post Richard.

    Just to add, the starting charging systems on these vehicles have no doubt been designed to cope (well thats what they will tell us), but i don't hear of any makers putting money where mouth is by offering 10 year warranties on the system and its components, and i fully expect the cost of replacement starters etc to far outweigh the savings made over time.

    If people want stopstart and thinks its good, great, buy into it and use it, but some people can't accept that not all of us are actually impressed in any way by these latest techonologies, just something else, unecessary, to go expensively wrong...electric parking brake another example.
    Originally posted by gilbert and sullivan
    I didn't necessarily want it, but that is how the car that I wanted is produced, same with the EPB and DRL. I just don't feel they are as bad as some are making out, I remember having my 1st fuel injected car and the doubters were waining on about them being troublesome, never had a problem with injection or turbo, engineering has moved on somewhat from the 70s and the Renault 5 Gordini and Triumph Dolomite , how many recently produced cars have a manual choke or carburettor?
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 19th Jul 14, 9:02 AM
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    Only ever sat in one car with stop/start and that was a 3L. There was a switch on the dash called Eco which controlled Stop/Start and also cut the BHP from 70 to just 41.

    No wonder it achieved 117MPG and is still the world record holder for miles per gallon on an actual road.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    117mpg form a 3L? My 3L Supra did about 20mpg, less when I was booting it....happy days. What I'd give to get 20 mpg these days.

    I am guessing 0.3l? Which car was it Stoke?
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 19th Jul 14, 9:53 AM
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    I'm probably going to get shot down in flames for this but I have to wait between 10 & 20 mins for them to come out of school and due to illness do not tolerate cold or getting chilled very well. I will add that I do feel guilty when keeping the engine running.
    Originally posted by kpwll
    The car will automatically restart itself if if you've the heater on and the heat level drops. Also it will restart if you have your lights on if there is a risk of the battery level dropping too much.

    On particularly cold days it wont operate at all.

    I remember my Passat Bluemotion had it and i took delivery of the car on 2nd Jan. I think it was near march before it actually started working!
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 19th Jul 14, 9:56 AM
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    117mpg form a 3L? My 3L Supra did about 20mpg, less when I was booting it....happy days. What I'd give to get 20 mpg these days.

    I am guessing 0.3l? Which car was it Stoke?
    Originally posted by worried jim
    Hes talking about one of these



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Lupo#Lupo_3L

    So named because it used 3 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres.
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