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  • k4ren2006
    k4ren2006 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    Sorry about that...it's Friday and my head is a bit fuzzy. The issue date on the claim form is 28th May 2019 and it has come from the County Court Business Centre (St Katherine's House and so on)
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,650 Forumite
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    k4ren2006 wrote: »
    The issue date on the claim form is 28th May 2019 and it has come from the County Court Business Centre (St Katherine's House and so on)
    With a Claim Issue Date of 28th May, and having done the Acknowledgement of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 1st July 2019 to file your Defence.

    That's over two weeks away. Loads of time to produce a perfect Defence, but don't leave it to the last minute.


    When you are happy with the content, your Defence should be filed via email as suggested here:
      Print your Defence.
    1. Sign it and date it.
    2. Scan the signed document back in and save it as a pdf.
    3. Send that pdf as an email attachment to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk
    4. Just put the claim number and the word Defence in the email title, and in the body of the email something like 'Please find my Defence attached'.
    5. Log into MCOL after a few days to see if the Claim is marked "defence received". If not chase the CCBC until it is.
    6. Do not be surprised to receive an early copy of the Claimant's Directions Questionnaire, they are just trying to keep you under pressure.
    7. Wait for your DQ from the CCBC, or download one from the internet, and then re-read post #2 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread to find out exactly what to do with it.
  • k4ren2006
    k4ren2006 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    Thanks..will let you know how we get on
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,650 Forumite
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    edited 14 June 2019 at 4:44PM
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    Whatever you do, please consider re-writing that Defence you posted earlier.

    There are several example Defences in post #2 of the NEWBIES thread - link in my earlier post. Take particular notice of those concise Defences written by Bargepole.

    Perhaps post your Defence here for critique before filing - but that's up to you.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,730 Forumite
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    edited 14 June 2019 at 6:38PM
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    It simply says the 1st 3 digits of a postcode which encompasses an entire city centre.
    If you are in Swansea you need a miracle with some of their Judges. Although this person got a discontinuance last year re a SA1 claim from VCS:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5811811&page=4

    Why not simply copy the 'not a CN' VCS defence example from the NEWBIES thread and adapt it if the SAR shows there was no red card on the windscreen after all (read the example, it's in the NEWBIES thread for people to use).

    Or adapt the defence in that SA1 thread, but show us first as a year is a long time here.
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  • k4ren2006
    k4ren2006 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    Hi everyone.

    Thanks so much for all your help so far....hopefully this will suffice....

    Statement of Defence

    1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.

    2. Notwithstanding that the claimant claims no right to pursue the defendant as the registered keeper under The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA 2012); the Claimant has failed to meet the conditions of the Act and has never acquired any right to pursue the Defendant in this capacity if they cannot identify the driver.

    3. It is denied that the Claimant served the required documents with statutory wording as prescribed under the POFA and as such, there can be no keeper liability in any event.

    4. The Claimant alleges that there was a charge notice for a contravention at 'SA1' but no terms are given nor is any valid breach established.

    5. The place of the alleged breach is given as SA1 which contains many registered parcels of land as well as registered leaseholds on parts of these parcels of land, therefore strict proof is required as to the exact site of the breach.

    6. No attempt was made by the claimant to provide suitable information or evidence of this breach despite the Defendant submitting a Subject Access Request.

    7. The Particulars of Claim does not state whether they believe the Defendant was the registered keeper and/or the driver of the vehicle. These assertions indicate that the Claimant has failed to identify a Cause of Action, and is simply offering a menu of choices. As such, the Claim fails to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5. Further, the particulars of the claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached.

    8. . Due to the sparseness of the particulars, it is unclear as to what legal basis the claim is brought, whether for breach of contract, contractual liability, or trespass. However, it is denied that the Defendant, or any driver of the vehicle, entered into any contractual agreement with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct.

    9. The particulars of claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached. Indeed, the particulars of the claim are not clear and concise as is required by CPR 16.4 1(a).

    10. The Defendant believes that their personal details have been obtained unlawfully by the Claimant and asks that the Court does not to assist the Claimant to benefit from a wrongdoing. (Ex turpi causa non oritur actio).

    11. In summary, it is the Defendant's position that the claim discloses no cause of action, is without merit, and has no real prospect of success. Accordingly, the Court is invited to strike out the claim of its own initiative, using its case management powers pursuant to CPR 3.4.

    I believe the facts contained in this Defence are true.

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  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
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    Acquaint yourself with the costs for unreasonable behaviour under CPR27.14(2)(g).

    Have you read Beamer Guy's recent thread about abuse of process? Have you complained to the ATA?

    Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams so complain also to your MP.

    Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

    Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

    Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • beamerguy
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    The_Deep wrote: »
    Acquaint yourself with the costs for unreasonable behaviour under CPR27.14(2)(g).

    Have you read Beamer Guy's recent thread about abuse of process? Have you complained to the ATA?

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=75930070#post75930070
  • k4ren2006
    k4ren2006 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    They are only seeking the alleged CN amount and the court fee
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,730 Forumite
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    No they aren't, surely they have described the parking charge as £160?
    It wasn't. They added sixty quid, surely?

    See the linked thread for my post re how to end a defence by attacking the fake costs. At least the awful Swansea Judges might finally notice that they are being led up the garden path on costs, if Defendants push this fact.
    Statement of Defence
    Wrong heading. See the more recent defence examples all over the forum.
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