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Urgent Help needed with CEL court claim form please

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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,730 Forumite
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    Same changes (proof read it!) needed as this one, e.g. it's not a permit car park:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=72822918#post72822918
    when i went back to the supermarket to gather evidence, i noticed a big sign on the main car park telling customers to use the overflow car park when the main one was full but their isn't any mention on the sign about parking time or anything. would i need to add this to my defense
    No need, it says the signs are unclear and incapable of forming a contract. Details can be adduced later of they take it to a hearing (unlikely, IMHO). And don't say 'when I went back'(!) if you are defending by not saying who was driving on the day!
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  • tim2000
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Same changes (proof read it!) needed as this one, e.g. it's not a permit car park:



    Ok final draft, does this look ok to go?

    Thanks


    In the County Court Business Centre
    [FONT=&quot]Claim Number: [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]BETWEEN[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LIMITED[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]V[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]DEFENCE STATEMENT[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]I am
    , the defendant in this matter and registered keeper of vehicle registration
    . I currently reside at
    .[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]I deny I am liable for the entirety of the claim for each of the following reasons: -[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Claim Form issued on the 12th of June 2017 by Civil Enforcement Limited was not correctly filed under The Practice Direction as it was not signed by a legal person but signed by “Civil Enforcement Limited (Claimant’s Legal Representative)”[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]2. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Claimant failed to meet the Notice to Keeper obligations of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Absent of such a notice served within 14 days of the parking event and with fully compliant statutory wording, this Claimant is unable to hold me liable under the strict ‘keeper liability’ provisions.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Schedule 4 also states that the only sum a keeper can be pursued for, is the sum on the Notice to Keeper. They cannot pluck another sum from thin air and bolt that on as well when the signs do not mention a possible £325.28 for outstanding debt and damages[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]3. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol, as an example as to why this prevents a full defence being filed at this time - a parking charge can be for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge. All these are treated differently in law and require a different defence. The wording of any contract will naturally be a key element in this matter, and a copy of the alleged contract has never been provided to the Defendant[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]a) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]b) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This is a speculative serial litigant, issuing many identical 'draft particulars'. The badly mail-merged documents contain very little information[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]c) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Schedule of information is sparse of detailed information[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]d) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Claim Form Particulars were extremely sparse, and divulged no cause of action nor sufficient detail. The Defendant has no idea what the claim is about - why the charge arose, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information. The Claim Form Particulars did not contain any evidence of contravention or photographs[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]e) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Defence therefore asks the Court to strike out the claim as having no reasonable prospect of success as currently drafted[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]f) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Alternatively, the Defendant asks that the Claimant is required to file particulars which comply with Practice Directions and include at least the following information;[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] i. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Whether the matter is being brought for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge, and an explanation as to the exact nature of the charge[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] ii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A copy of any contract it is alleged was in place (e.g. copies of signage)[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] iii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]How any contract was concluded (if by performance, then copies of signage maps in place at the time)[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] iv. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Whether keeper liability is being claimed, and if so copies of any Notice to Driver / Notice to Keeper[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] v. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Whether the Claimant is acting as Agent or Principal, together with a list of documents they will rely on in this matter[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] vi. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If relying on Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) data, then Installation record of the ANPR system with location, showing the height and angle of the camera and a record of maintenance of the system [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] vii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If charges over and above the initial charge are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] viii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If Interest charges are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Once these have been filed, the Defendant asks for reasonable time to file another defence.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]4. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Claimant has added unrecoverable sums to the original parking charge. It is believed that the employee who drew up the paperwork is remunerated and the particulars of claim are templates, so it is simply not credible that £50 'legal representative’s (or even admin) costs' were incurred. I deny the Claimant is entitled to any interest whatsoever[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]5. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This case can be distinguished from Parking Eye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr. Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. None of this applies in this material case[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]6. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]In the absence of any proof of adequate signage that contractually bound the Defendant then there can have been no contract and the Claimant has no case.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]a) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Claimant is put to strict proof that at the time of the alleged event they had both advertisement consent and the permission from the site owner to display the signs[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]b) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]In the absence of strict proof, I submit that the Claimant was committing an offence by displaying their signs and therefore no contract could have been entered, between the driver and the Claimant[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]c) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Inadequate signs incapable of binding the driver - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] i. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Non-existent ANPR 'data use' signage - breach of ICO rules and the BPA Code of Practice[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] ii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot] It is believed the signage and any terms were not transparent or legible; this is an unfair contract, not agreed by the driver and contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in requiring a huge inflated sum as 'compensation' from by an authorised party using the premises as intended[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] iii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]No promise was made by the driver that could constitute consideration because there was no offer known nor accepted. No consideration flowed from the Claimant[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] iv. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The signs are believed to have no mention of any debt collection additional charge, which cannot form part of any alleged contract[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]d) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]BPA CoP breaches - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] i. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the sum pursued exceeds £100[/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot] ii. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]there is / was no compliant landowner contract[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]7. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]No standing - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case: It is believed Civil Enforcement do not hold a legitimate contract at this car park. As an agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name which should be in the name of the landowner[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]8. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]No legitimate interest - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case: This Claimant files serial claims regarding sites where they have lost the contract, known as revenge claims and it believed this is one such case. This is not a legitimate reason to pursue a charge out of proportion with any loss or damages the true landowner could pursue[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]9. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Beavis case confirmed the fact that, if it is a matter of trespass (not breach of any contract), a parking firm has no standing as a non-landowner to pursue even nominal damages[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]10. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The charge is an unenforceable penalty based upon a lack of commercial justification. The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]The Defendant denies any liability whatsoever to the Claimant in any matter and asks the Court to note that the Claimant has:[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]A. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Failed to disclose any cause of action in the incorrectly filed Claim Form issued on 12th June 2017[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]B. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sent a template, well-known to be generic cut and paste 'Particulars' of claim relying on irrelevant case law (Beavis) which ignores the fact that this Claimant cannot hold registered keepers liable in law, due to their own choice of non-POFA documentation[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]The vague Particulars of Claim disclose no clear cause of action. The court is invited to strike out the claim of its own volition as having no merit and no reasonable prospects of success[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]I confirm that the above facts and statements are true to the best of my knowledge and recollection.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Signed[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Date[/FONT]
  • Coupon-mad
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    Yes that looks fine. All you need to do is urgently email your defence to the CCBC - I would do that NOW, having printed it off, signed and dated the document then scanned that signed version as a PDF attachment for your email. Send it to:

    ccbcaq@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk

    Subject line should read:
    "Claim no xxxxxxxx: Defence attached.

    Ring the court by Thursday, to confirm they've received it, so you are sure.
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  • tim2000
    tim2000 Posts: 18 Forumite
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    thank you Coupon-mad you are top dollar
  • tim2000
    tim2000 Posts: 18 Forumite
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    sent!!

    Thank you all
  • tim2000
    tim2000 Posts: 18 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Yes that looks fine. All you need to do is urgently email your defence to the CCBC - I would do that NOW, having printed it off, signed and dated the document then scanned that signed version as a PDF attachment for your email. Send it to:

    ccbcaq@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk

    Subject line should read:
    "Claim no xxxxxxxx: Defence attached.

    Ring the court by Thursday, to confirm they've received it, so you are sure.

    Hi

    Looking at the moneyclaim website, it shows current status as "Defense has been received today, is that enough confirmation or do i still need to ring the court to confirm receipt?

    thanks
  • Coupon-mad
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    Great, that's quick, no need to ring. :)
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  • tim2000
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    Hello all,

    just received this in the post today attached with a questionnaire, what should I do please.

    Notice of Proposed Allocation to the Small Claims Track
    [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
    In the County Court Business Centre

    [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]



    Claim Number
    Claimant
    (including ref.)


    Defendant
    (including ref.)
    Date






    [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

    Important Notice
    If you do not comply with this notice the court will make such order as appears to be appropriate. This could include striking out the claim or entering judgment.
    TAKE NOTICE THAT
    1. This is now a defended claim.
    The defendant has filed a defence, a copy-ef which is enclosed.
    2. It appears that this case is suitable for allocation to the small claims track.
    If you believe that this track is not the appropriate track for the claim, you must complete box Cl on the Small Claims Directions Questionnaire (Form N180) and explain why.
    3. You must by September 2017 complete the Small Claims Directions Questionnaire (Form N180) and file it with the court office
    the County Court Business Centre, 4th Floor St Katharine's House, 21-27 St Katharine’s Street,
    Northampton, NN1 2LH ____________________________________________

    and serve copies on all other parties.
    NOTES FOR GUIDANCE
    (i) The Directions Questionnaire can be downloaded from hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.uk
  • Umkomaas
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    what should I do please.
    Go to the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2, where all your steps in dealing with a small claim are detailed.

    You need to really understand the process through thoroughly reading the above, then you will understand what any next step might be, then you're one stride ahead of the game and neither surprised nor shocked by what drops through your letterbox.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • nosferatu1001
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    Especially as you just posted this on pepipoo

    You cant just sit passively, waiting for each next step and only then bothering to ask about it.

    Research. Do your OWN legwork.
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