Electric cars

AdrianC wrote: »

Please don't continue to blatantly, deliberately and dishonestly misrepresent what I've said very clearly multiple times.

Oh good, you are in a mood to be clear, so can I please ask you to finally answer the question I've asked:

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Anyways, back to you supplying proof of the grand statements that you've made, and for which I've asked many times now:-

1. Proof that the Tesla semi's at the launch event where not mules, just stage-locked vehicles barely capable of moving themselves.

2. Proof that the trucks now being load tested by Tesla are new mules, as you stated, knocked together after the launch.

3. Proof that most UK loads are near to max weight, or shall we say, within 2t of max.

I'm assuming this information is at your finger tips, after all, Shirley you wouldn't make those 'statements of fact' falsely?

BTW, have you heard the news that Tesla still have over 400,000 paid deposits for the Model 3 - I'm surprised you've let that go, since you disapprove so strongly about manufacturers having waiting lists (aka being popular).

NigeWick wrote: »

The car itself is great. The fact that Nissan failed to let prospective buyers know about the consecutive rapid charging restrictions is unforgivable. I would have waited for the 60kWh version with battery management if I had been told about #rapidgate

Just blow on em, jeez, do I have to think of everything!

AdrianC wrote: »

Please don't continue to blatantly, deliberately and dishonestly misrepresent what I've said very clearly multiple times.

Finally, but not quite. The rolling week ending yesterday was indeed the first to hit 5,000 cars, but they're working seven days, so just over 700 cars/day. They're about a month or so behind even last November's target for this mark - and last week's production is north of 10% of all Model 3s built so far.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/

Mmm. But Ford were "inventing" (it was already the thick end of a millennium old, even in vehicle manufacture) the moving assembly line to do so, at a time when global annual automobile production was barely over 1% of today's 70m, and the Model T formed half of the total number of cars ever built.

And, if we're drawing parallels, let's not forget that Ford's inability to deliver the Model T's replacement nearly bankrupted them a decade later.

Hi

:rotfl: .... so the automotive industry was 1000 years (a millennium!) when Ford released the Model T and they invented manufacturing production lines and the auto-mobile ? ... :rotfl:

What your failing to understand (deliberately?) is that the parallels between Ford & Tesla are very strong .... Ford entered the industry with a unit price which would compete and cover investment whilst selling to what at the time was a 'premium' product, then used the introduction of assembly line manufacturing processes and single-site manufacturing & assembly (been to the plant!) to drive economies of scale and reduce prices to create a mass market that effectively killed of the competing 'horse drawn' sector - at the end of the production run, model T's were selling at less than 1/4 (inflation adjusted) of what they were when launched. Other automotive manufacturers at the time were forced to respond and copy Henry Ford's manufacturing, supply & pricing models in order to survive .... anything clicked yet!? ...

Tesla are effectively doing for the low volume EV sector exactly what Ford did for the low volume ICE sector a century ago ... they've started with low volume in smaller plant then addressed the technology & the manufacturing process, invested in large integrated plant and used the approach to drive unit prices to where they're competing with the previous personal transport sector market leader, the main differences effectively involving 100 years, batteries, petroleum & hay ...

Oh, and for the record ... there was no misrepresentation, if you can't see the blatant anti-EV hypocrisy in the positions you tend to take, at least almost everyone else that's ever read this thread can ... and please don't try to hide behind pedantry to cover-up past positions .... to ensure the manufacturing supply contracts, tooling & schedules can cope at enquiry stage, just think along the lines of DPV ... I wonder which automotive companies still use that old planning measure? ... :whistle:;) ... so a DPV of 1000 means how many per week or/and year (remember working days!)? .... of course, any mfg company reacting to initial production or supply issues utilises spare plant capacity by operating at weekends, even the highly efficient plant at Sunderland, so there's nothing new ... Tesla said they'd be building 1000/day(5000/week) by the end of the quarter and it looks like they're doing it despite the negative positions & protestations of those who are resistant to change.


Anyway, thank you for your interest in the subject & do keep up the good work, it often allows me to have a good long :rotfl:!

Z