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  • KevinG
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  • Coastalwatch
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    Interesting that large industrial companies are recognising the benefits of solar energy and using their muscle and buying power to organise their source of energy independent of the grid with savings sufficient to justify their investment!

    Great to see it happening as presumably it will be aligned with storage as well so perhaps assisting in bringing the cost of batteries down to affordable levels eventually.

    Looking further ahead if all large scale industries adopt this approach would the grid then be left with only the minnows to finance it's running costs!
    Lightsource BP has confirmed that it has clinched a deal with Budweiser brewer AB InBev to develop and operate PPA-backed, subsidy-free solar farms.
    And with the agreement totalling 100MW in generating capacity, the deal is understood to be the largest unsubsidised solar deal in UK history.
    Under the deal with AB InBev, Lightsource BP is to develop 100MW under 15-year power purchase agreements. The capacity is to be connected by the end of 2020, powering the brewer’s two main breweries in Magor, South Wales and Samlesbury, Lancashire.
    https://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/news/lightsource_bp_confirms_uks_biggest_ever_subsidy_free_solar_deal_with_budwe
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  • Martyn1981
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    Interesting that large industrial companies are recognising the benefits of solar energy and using their muscle and buying power to organise their source of energy independent of the grid with savings sufficient to justify their investment!

    The PPA route is proving to be brilliant news sitting somewhere between grid supply and demand supply PV.

    Being able to sell leccy above the wholesale price, matched with the ability to buy leccy at below the retail price is something even this government is going to find hard to undermine! ;)

    PS that link has broken, they may have moved the article, but it's available here.
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  • Martyn1981
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    Quick update on Perovskite/Silicon.

    As you may be aware, Perovskite is the upcoming star of the PV world, as it's dirt cheap, and can even be printed on plastic film using 'special' inks.

    It's closing in on Silicon efficiencies, and has done this in a shockingly short length of time, but is still a little 'fragile'.

    But the good news/better news is that combined Silicon and Perovskite PV is still advancing. This won't be dirt cheap but also won't be expensive like say the high efficiency PV panels of the past.

    So at roughly the same cost as normal PV per Wp, Silicon/Perovskite will be able to squeeze a hell of a lot more Wp into the same space, possibly into the high 30%'s, certainly the low 30%'s.

    So on a roof where folk at the start of this decade popped about 4kWp of PV at 14% efficiency, you could fit (as an example) 10kWp at 35%.

    This opens up small rooves, shaded rooves, even north facing rooves(?) It also means a PV farm could double its output but some costs, such as land, ground mounts and labour wouldn't change - the panels represent about 50% of the cost, so whilst that will double (twice the kWp stuffed into the same area), most other costs wouldn't.

    For domestic installs, the PV panels represent about 30% of the cost, so imagine if you doubled the kWp by installing these panels, but the cost of the system only increased by 30%, so let's say 4kWp for £5k, or 8kWp for £6.5k. :)

    How about every house/flat having a two panel sunshade, 1kWp and around 1,000kWh's pa, and mostly consumed on site being a small system?

    So why the waffle, well a company that I've mentioned before, and keeps making the news in this are, is now (already) up to 28% efficiency. And just to repeat, this isn't through making very expensive high efficiency PV, it's through combining cheap(ish) Silicon PV, with very cheap Perovskite PV.

    Tandem cells at 28%
    Oxford PV today announced that it has achieved 28% conversion efficiency for its perovskite/silicon tandem solar cells, improving on the company’s own previous record of 27.3% The new world record efficiency is certified by the United States National Renewable Energy Laboratory.

    The record, which surpasses the current world record for a single junction silicon cell, was achieved on a laboratory scale device measuring 1cm². Oxford PV also held the previous world record for perovskite/silicon tandem cell, which it set at 27.3% back in June.

    “Today’s record demonstrates the unprecedented pace of our technology development,” says Oxford PV’s Chief Technology Officer Chris Case. “We are continuing to push our perovskite-silicon solar cell technology, with a roadmap that extends beyond 30% efficiency.”
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  • Martyn1981
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    Tesla have got some competition for solar rooves, and at a reported half the price:

    Powerhouse 3.0 Solar Shingles Head To The Roof
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    Swift Solar, A U.S startup designing and manufacturing perovskite solar panels, has announced raising $4.6 million as part of a $6.6 million investment round.

    The team at Swift Solar in Colorado includes leading solar technologists from Stanford, MIT, Cambridge (UK), Oxford (UK), and the University of Washington, with expertise in perovskite photovoltaic technology and scale-up. Swift’s core technologies range from new solar cell architectures to specialized manufacturing techniques initially developed in the labs at Stanford and MIT.

    Source:
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    https://www.perovskite-info.com/perovskite-solar-cell-developer-swift-solar-raises-46-million
  • Martyn1981
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    Some progress on post FiT's export payments.

    Solar panel users to be paid for excess power – but will need to wait
    Energy minister Claire Perry said on Tuesday she would legislate for a new market that will make energy firms compete to offer solar homes the best price for any unused energy they export.

    The marketplace would replace a scheme that pays households about 5p for each unit of solar electricity they export, which is paid for by all energy bill-payers but will close for new applicants on 31 March.

    Energy suppliers with more than 250,000 customers will be mandated to offer a “smart export guarantee” tariff, with solar households expected to shop around for the best rate.

    My main concern was that no companies would offer a competitive (5p(ish)) rate, but fingers crossed someone will. I think I'll assume some of the RE only suppliers will look to this.
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  • Coastalwatch
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    Martyn1981 wrote: »
    Some progress on post FiT's export payments.
    Solar panel users to be paid for excess power – but will need to wait
    My main concern was that no companies would offer a competitive (5p(ish)) rate, but fingers crossed someone will. I think I'll assume some of the RE only suppliers will look to this.

    Yes indeed, there is little comfort when reading further into the announcement:-
    "Government intends to leave these prices down to the suppliers themselves, however all tariffs must be greater than zero and suppliers will not be eligible to recover costs by charging consumers at times of negative pricing."
    As a small supplier what negotiating power would any of us have if being offered a mere fraction of a penny per kWh. Probably even less than the UK has of negotiating a "better" deal than currently on offer from the combined strength of the 27 other European countries over Brexit!:eek:
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  • Exiled_Tyke
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    My thoughts for what they are worth - (may be not a lot) and actually they are more questions than thoughts

    1. I'm presuming that transferring to an 'export' agreement and shelving the deemed 50% won't affect the FIT payment otherwise only new installers will go that way. (Do current PVers who are on one of the few tariffs that allow selling to the grid lose their whole FIT or just the deemed 50% export?)
    2. Does this mean that current FIT claimants will be able to extend their systems and get something back on their new panels (although if the approx 5p per unit drops significantly this would not be worth while)
    3. Does the prospect of negative pricing of electricity at high production and low consumption times make domestic batteries suddenly more viable?
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