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BW Legal 'letter of claim'

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marknopark
marknopark Posts: 20 Forumite
edited 22 July 2018 at 6:14PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
Hi all. Received a 'letter of claim' from BW Legal advising potential legal action in the form of a claim against myself in county court in respect of a parking debt.

Backstory;

The driver was visiting their Dad and parked by the gate that is used to gain entrance to his front door, was unaware at the time that the land was not his (have parked there a number of times) and actually belonged to the neighbouring block (there is a sign displayed to advise against unauthorised parking on the land etc)


The register keeper of the vehicle received the original 'fine' and subsequent correspondence including debt collection letters but has chosen to ignore all of them up until now.

After finding this forum it would seem that the 'letter of claim' is the catalyst for the registered keepr to begin to take action, after reading the newbies thread the keeper is about to send the following letter, a copy of Daniel san's as detailed in the newbies thread by Coupon-mad;



Dear Sirs,

Thank you for your letter of claim dated xxxxxxx, reference: xxxxxxxxx.

Your letter contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon.

Your client must know that on 01 October 2017 a new protocol is applicable to debt claims. Since proceedings have not yet been issued, the new protocol clearly applies and must be complied with.

Your letter lacks specificity and breaches both the requirements of the previously applicable Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)) and the new Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2. Please treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents / information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol. I reserve the right to draw any failure of the Claimant to comply with the protocol to the attention of the court and to ask the court to stay the claim and order your client to comply with its pre-action obligations, and when costs come to be considered.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction applicable pre-1 October and the Protocol which applies thereafter (and your client, as a serial litigator of small claims, should likewise be aware of them). As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is astounding that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and unevidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the new Protocol.

Nobody, including your client, is immune from the requirements and obligations of the Practice Direction and now the Protocol.

I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. an explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; where it is claimed the vehicle was parked, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
7. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the IPC code of practice section B, clause 1.1 !!!8220;establishing yourself as the creditor!!!8221;
8. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
9. details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)
10. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
11. Provide a copy of the Information Sheet and the Reply Form


If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) !!!8211; Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13,15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.





Yours faithfully




Just want to make sure the keeper is not doing anything wrong or taking any mis-steps before sending the letter.

Would appreciate any input.

thanks
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  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
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    Are you sure this letter you got is a LBCCA? (And not another threatening letter from a debt collector)


    (Read up on this in the newbies faq thread near the top of the forum - you will see advice never to reveal who was driving - edit your post to remove those details)
  • marknopark
    marknopark Posts: 20 Forumite
    edited 8 June 2018 at 1:06PM
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    I'm not sure, how would you be able to tell? The letter is titled 'LETTER OF CLAIM' goes on to detail my parking 'contravention' and then says;


    We have been instructed by xxxxxxxx to commence legal action in the form of issuing a claim against you in the county court in respect of the above debt. If payment or a response is not received before xxxx, we are instructed to issue a claim against you in the county court without further notice. If you dispute this debt, please tell us why so that we can help resolve this matter
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
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    Did the letter have forms for you to return to them?


    How long did they give you to pay (in days?)
  • marknopark
    marknopark Posts: 20 Forumite
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    Yes there was an information sheet, reply form and income and expenditure form.


    There is 33 days between the date the letter was sent and the date they are asking me to response / pay.
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
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    OK


    It is a LBCCA


    See #2 in the FAQ for advice on responding to a LBCCA (no need to return their forms!)
  • marknopark
    marknopark Posts: 20 Forumite
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    OK thanks for your help, I believe I was following that advice originally. So I should send the letter I detailed in my original post?
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
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    Check whether Daniel San's letter is appropriate - did they not send a compliant LBCCA?
  • marknopark
    marknopark Posts: 20 Forumite
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    I've had a read through the letter a couple times and I do not believe it to be compliant
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
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    In that case use ir
  • marknopark
    marknopark Posts: 20 Forumite
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    many thanks for your help Quentin
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