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Pls help civil enforcement ltd, Northampton claim form

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  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    Always do the AoS. It gives you time. Time is your friend with this process
  • You're definitely right! I needed the extra time! Please can you take a look at this defence response? I have used newbies FAQ and tried to make sure everything is relevant to my case! Although I'm not sure what the signage is like at the alleged car park! Thank you so much !!

    The defendant denies they are liable for the entirety of the claim for the following reasons:

    1. The Claim Form issued on 13 April 2018 by Civil Enforcement LTD was not correctly filed under the practice direction as it was not signed by a legal person. The claim does not have a valid signature and is not a statement of truth. It's states that it has been issued by Civil Enforcement Limited as the claimants legal representative. Practice Direction 22 requires that a statement of case on behalf of a company must be signed by a person holding a senior position and state the position. If the party is legally represented, the legal representative may sign the statement of truth but in his own name and not of that of his firm or employer.

    2. The claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol (as outlined in the new Pre Action Protocol for Debt Claims, 1 October 2017) and as an example as to why is prevents a full defence being filed at this time, a parking charge can be for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge. All these are treated differently in law and require a different defence. The wording of any contract will naturally be a key element in this matter and a copy of the alleged contract has never been provided to the Defendant.

    a. There was no compliant Letter before County Court Claim as required under the Practice Direction.

    b. This is a speculative serial litigant, issuing a large number of draft particulars. These mail-merged documents contain very little information.

    c. The Schedule of Information is sparse of detailed information and holds different information to that of subsequent correspondence from QDR Solicitors, who were instructed to issue correspondence by ZZPS Limited who were acting on behalf of Civil Enforcement Ltd.

    d. The Claim Form Particulars were incredibly sparse and and disclosed no fuses of action nor sufficient detail. The Defendant has no idea what the claim is about, why the charge arose, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information. Furthermore, the Claim Form Particulars did not contain any evidence of contravention or photographs. These documents and the Letter before Action should have been produced, pursuant to paragraph 6 of the Practice Direction, Pre Action Conduct. Therefore this constitutes a deliberate attempt to prevent any efforts to defend the claim pursuant to to paragraph 12 of the Practice Direction. This, again contradicts the guidance outlined in the new Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (2017), the aims of which are:

    i) Early engagement and communication between the parties, including early exchange of sufficient information about the matter in order to help clarify whether there are any issues in dispute.

    ii) Enable to parties to resolve the matter without the need to start court proceedings ! Including agreeing a reasonable repayment plan or considering using an Alternative Dispute Resolution procedure.

    iii) Encourage the parties to act in a reasonable and proportionate manner in all dealings with one another (for example, avoiding running up costs which do not bear a reasonable relationship to the sums in issue.

    iv) Support the efficient management of proceedings that cannot be avoided.

    e. The defence therefore asks the Court to strike out the claim as disclosing no cause of action and having no reasonable prospect of success as currently drafted.

    3. The Claimant failed to meet the Notice to Keeper obligations of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA 2012). Such a notice was not served within 14 days of the parking event. The Claimant is therefore unable to hold the Defendant liable under the strict keeper liability provisions:
    The Claimant did not comply with POFA and give the registered keeper opportunity, at any point, to identify the driver. A Notice to Keeper can be served by ordinary post and the Protection of Freedoms act requires the Notice to be valid, must be delivered by no later than 14 days after the vehicle was parked. No ticket was left on the windscreen and no Notice of keeper was sent within the 14 days required to comply with POFA 2012 (or ever) only a speculative invoice titled Parking Charge Notice; which was sent outside of the 14 day period, which did not comply with POFA 2012. This would exclude the registered keeper being liable for any charges.

    Henry Greenslade, lead adjudicator of POPLA in 2015 and an eminent barrister and parking law expert, stated that "However keeper information is obtained, there is no reasonable presumption; in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort". Schedule 4 also states that the only sum a keeper can be pursued for (if Schedule 4 is fully complied with, which it was not, and if there was a 'relevant obligation' and relevant contract' fairly and adequately communicated, which there was not) is the sum on the Notice to Keeper. They cannot pluck another sum from thin air and bolt that on as well when neither the signs or subsequent letters mentioned a possible £323.78 for outstanding debts and damages. The additional costs, which the Defendant contests have not been incurred, are none of it's concern.

    4. The Claimant has added unrecoverable sums to the original parking charge. It is believed that the employee who drew up the paperwork is remunerated, and the particulars of the claim are templates, so it is simply not credible that £50 legal representatives costs were incurred. The Defendant believes that Civil Enforcement Ltd has artificially inflated this claim. They are claiming legal costs when not only is this not permitted (CPR 27.14) but the Defendant believes that they have not incurred legal costs. According to Ladak , DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA the Claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent on preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any administration cost. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to any interest whatsoever. The Claimant has not given and explanation as to how the claim has increased from the original parking Notice to £323.78. If the Claimant alleges that they claim the cost of its in-house administration, these cannot be recovered - they are staff performing the task that they have been employed for and are essential to the Claimant' s business plan.

    5. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. As far as I can ascertain, based upon the very vague particulars of claim and complete lack of evidence and photographs, and without having been furnished with the alleged signage contract none of this applies in this material case.

    6. In the absence of any proof of adequate signage contractually bound the Defendant then there can have been no contract and the Claimant has no case

    a. The Claimant is put to strict proof at the time of the alleged event they had both advertisement consent and the permission from the site owner to display the signs

    b. In the absence of strict proof the Defendant submit that the Claimant was committing an offence by displaying their signs and therefore no contract could have been entered into between the driver and the Claimant

    c. Inadequate signs incapable of binding the driver, this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:

    i) Sporadic and illegible (charge not prominent nor large lettering) of site/entrance signage - breach of the POFA 2012 Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice and no contract formed to pay any clearly stated sum

    ii) It is believed the signage was not lit and any terms were not transparent or legible; this is an unfair contract, not agreed by the driver and contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in requiring a huge inflated sum as compensation from by an authorised party using the premises as intended

    iii) No promise was made by the driver that could constitute consideration because there was no offer known nor accepted.

    iv) The signs are believed to have no mention of any debt collection additional charge, which cannot form part of any alleged contract.

    d. BPA CoP breaches this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:

    i) The signs were not compliant in terms of the font size, lighting or positioning

    ii) The sum pursued exceeds £100

    iii) There is/was no compliant landowner contract

    7. No Standing, this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case: It is believed Civil Enforcement Ltd do not hold a legitimate contract at this car park. As an agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name which should be in the name of the landowner.

    8. The Beavis case confirmed the fact that, if it is a matter of trespass (not breach of any contract), a parking firm has no standing as a non-landowner to pursue even nominal damages.

    9. The charge is an unenforceable penalty based upon a lack of commercial justification. The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim.


    10. The Defendant has reasonable belief that the Claimant sent a letter claiming to be a final letter before court action, but then instead sent this to more debt collectors. As such the Claimants have artificially inflated the claim value by claiming to involve further debt collectors, the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof that all claimed costs were invoiced and paid.

    11. Due to the length of time, it would not be reasonable expect a registered keeper to be able to recall the potential driver(s) of the car 8 months later particularly on a specific date. The burden rests with the Claimant to identify the driver, who is the only party potentially liable in cases where a parking firm is unable to rely upon the POFA.

    The Defendant denies any liability whatsoever to the Claimant in any matter and asks the Court to note that the Claimant has:

    (a) Failed to disclose any cause of action in the incorrectly filed Claim Form issued on 13 April 2018.

    (b) Sent a template, well-known to be generic cut and paste 'Particulars' of claim relying on irrelevant case law (Beavis) which ignores the fact that this Claimant cannot hold registered keepers liable in law, due to their own choice of non-POFA documentation.

    The vague Particulars of Claim disclose no clear cause of action. The court is invited to strike out the claim of its own volition as having no merit and no reasonable prospects of success.

    The Defendant (I) confirm that the contents of this Defence are true to the best of my knowledge.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 160,218 Forumite
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    Looks fine for CEL.

    Do not delay, you are nearly out of time to defend, so print off a copy with headings/claim number at the top as you have seen on other threads, sign & date it and then scan the document back in and attach it as a PDF to an email (NO NEED TO POST AS WELL).

    MCOL has just changed its email address for defences and DQs to:

    CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk

    There is currently a forward on the old CCBCAQ email address, but it's probably best to start using the new email addy from now on.

    Make sure the Claim number is stated in the subject line and the word 'DEFENCE'.
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  • Thank you. I will get this done today. Do I need to log on to MCOL again or just send an email to the address above? Thank you for providing as I've been struggling to find the email address.
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    NO, just email.
  • Is there anyone I need to address it to? Does the body of the email need to include anything specific other than defence, claim ref etc?
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    Its not a formal letter. No need for much apart from please see attached defence for claim ref XYZ

    Just get it sent. Its processed by staff quite quickly.
  • If you haven't submitted this, please make sure that your defence specifically denies that you were the driver. I can't see that in there and it's quite crucial. You can admit that you are registered keeper.


    Put in a sentence saying you put the Claimant to full proof of every aspect of its claim.
    Although a practising Solicitor, my posts here are NOT legal advice, but are personal opinion based on limited facts provided anonymously by forum users. I accept no liability for the accuracy of any such posts and users are advised that, if they wish to obtain formal legal advice specific to their case, they must seek instruct and pay a solicitor.
  • Hi, I had since had a reply giving me 2 options whether to go ahead with small claims mediation service or to go ahead with the small claims track. Which would you say would be the most appropriate? Thanks
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 160,218 Forumite
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    It's not a choice of one or the other. You've merely had the next form as explained by bargepole already, in the NEWBIES thread. He says which boxes to tick, and it's not Mediation!
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