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a little victory

local shop installed anpr cameras on poles to dish tickets out , they didn't get planning permission and they break rules , council has asked them to retro apply for permission , they haven't, enforcement action to follow

just a small victory, but one all the same :beer:
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  • Castle
    Castle Posts: 4,952 Forumite
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    What about advertising consent for the signs?
  • deanos
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    i didn't know you need it , the poles were too high and too far apart is what they got them on
  • DoaM
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    You need planning consent for the poles and cameras ... this can be granted retrospectively.

    You also need advertising consent for signage ... not having it is a criminal offence and consent cannot be granted retrospectively. Therefore any tickets issued prior to consent being granted are unenforceable as you cannot profit from an illegal act. :)
  • deanos
    deanos Posts: 11,241 Forumite
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    oooh, i will email the council contact now, i presume this covers it ?

    https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/4/adverts_and_signs
  • Castle
    Castle Posts: 4,952 Forumite
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    deanos wrote: »
    i didn't know you need it , the poles were too high and too far apart is what they got them on
    Depending upon the size of the signs, express consent may be required:-
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/783/contents/made

    Failure to do so is a criminal offence (see regulation 30).
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,772 Forumite
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    But a shop in its own right can’t dish out parking tickets on the back of ANPR cameras. There must have been a private parking company involved.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • deanos
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    Thanks have sent a reply and mentioned regulation 30 and if it can also be looked into

    Yes they have a contract with a parking company as displayed on the signs
  • Umkomaas
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    deanos wrote: »
    Yes they have a contract with a parking company as displayed on the signs

    Do you know which parking company?

    It’s interesting as to whose responsibility it is to apply for the permission, the shop or the PPC.

    Looks like the council is going for the contract principal (the shop) which is good, because the PPC should have warned them that they needed to get this permission (very few of them do, as it just holds up being able to slap out tickets). Going after the shop is likely to pee them off and that might well cause them to pass on grief to the PPC.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • deanos
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    im not sure i should mention it on here as i presume they will be on here snooping like many of them do , you can pm me if you wish to know
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,772 Forumite
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    Sorry don’t do PMs. There’s nothing to hide, not sure how naming the PPC would make any difference?
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
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