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Yeah but, come on, you seriously don't understand why some people may find the idea of being checked on by the LL as a bit OTT/disturbing? - I mean, its being managed by an agent, with regular inspections, to some people this would feel quite intrusive.
Having a walk past a house you own is intrusive? Key words being walk (not nosey) and past (not going up to).
I'd agree if I had gone up to the window, looked in, seen her having a brew and a Hobnob. Did that happen? No. We walked down the road, saw it, looked at the house next door (as it is for sale), walked on.
As for the red bits;
- it was a post of opinions (not liking inspection photo's, their friends landlords occurrences, etc) and true or not, it's what they think
- insurances carry premiums and excesses...but that's what their deposit is for so a mute point. In the long term, it just raises premiums all round for everyone.
- the analogy does work. I work in a private client advisory stock brokers. As you come onto, you can pay someone to look after your stocks and shares for you (and IFA). But what if they were investing in something that you wanted to stay away from (arms, tobacco, cats) without your permission? What if they were running a hedge fund with your money (selling dope from within the loft)? What if they were short selling your stocks and taking massive cuts (sub-letting the property)?
We also deal with companies where we can ring up the MD and ask him what he's doing at the weekend. He's sacking someone because they're making cut backs. Does that not affect him personally because it is business?
Anyway, it's food for thought for everyone; I prefer being a home owner than a renter but have been on both sides of the fence. Maybe those who rent are being naive that their landlords shouldn't be so caring for their properties, regardless of who lives in it!
Ok, twist time; rent hasn't gone up in 2 years (fact) and is 10-20% below market range. How would those so ambitiously in the renters corner react when it comes up to renewal and you get "By the way, you've not had a rise in two years and you breached your tenancy agreement! It was going to be a 10% rise due to last years deferral but it's 15% now".0 -
I think there are rules about how and when rent can be increased.
To be honest, given what you've said about keeping the property off the market for this couple, granting a 12 month fixed term instead of the 6 months you usually go for and agreeing not to increase the rent because I didn't want to pay more, I'd see you as a decent LL and maybe bit of a soft touch.
Just wait and see what comes out of the inspection. Maybe the cat will leave you a little present...possibly a vole...something along the rodent line.
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Having a walk past a house you own is intrusive? Key words being walk (not nosey) and past (not going up to).
I'd agree if I had gone up to the window, looked in, seen her having a brew and a Hobnob. Did that happen? No. We walked down the road, saw it, looked at the house next door (as it is for sale), walked on. But again, can you not see how someone else in a different situation from you would look at this in a different light? Especially if you take into account chances are your tenant may well have had a bad experience with a previous LL/agent (none of my friends who rent have had a perfect history of perfect landlords)
As for the red bits;
- it was a post of opinions (not liking inspection photo's, their friends landlords occurrences, etc) and true or not, it's what they think Sorry, I'm really not getting you, its what who think? What part of that makes someone a bad tenant?
- insurances carry premiums Do you not have insurance then? Totally none of my business but I would seriously consider looking into getting some if I were you
- the analogy does work. I work in a private client advisory stock brokers. As you come onto, you can pay someone to look after your stocks and shares for you (and IFA). But what if they were investing in something that you wanted to stay away from (arms, tobacco, cats) without your permission? What if they were running a hedge fund with your money (selling dope from within the loft)? What if they were short selling your stocks and taking massive cuts (sub-letting the property)?
We also deal with companies where we can ring up the MD and ask him what he's doing at the weekend. He's sacking someone because they're making cut backs. Does that not affect him personally because it is business?
Anyway, it's food for thought for everyone; I prefer being a home owner than a renter but have been on both sides of the fence. Maybe those who rent are being naive that their landlords shouldn't be so caring for their properties, regardless of who lives in it!
Ok, twist time; rent hasn't gone up in 2 years (fact) and is 10-20% below market range. How would those so ambitiously in the renters corner react when it comes up to renewal and you get "By the way, you've not had a rise in two years and you breached your tenancy agreement! It was going to be a 10% rise due to last years deferral but it's 15% now".
Again, that comes across as you looking at it in too much personal way, regarding the rent increases. As a tenant you expect rent increases, of course you do. If I was advised at the end of an AST that my rent would be increasing, I would look at comparable rental prices in my area and decided whether I felt it was fair and would stay or if I thought it was too much - in which case I would either speak to the agent and try and negotiate or look to move on. If the landlord turned round and put it in the way you have above, no matter how big or small the increase was, I would want to move; to me it comes across as unprofessional and vindictive and would concern me regarding future dealings with my landlord.
I don't think its naïve of renters to expect a professional relationship between themselves and the landlord/letting agent, and I'm not saying landlords shouldn't be concerned about their investment, but they do need to know where to draw the line.
To follow up the 'stock and shares analogy', I know very little about the subject but I'm pretty sure there is legal recourse for an IFA going outside of the terms under which you employed them, but that's not the point I was trying to make, besides which in this analogy the IFA would be the letting agent, surely? What I was trying to say is firstly you are paying someone to do the job of keeping a eye on the property for you. If you feel you need to check up on them, by all means, but don't forget its people we are talking about not pieces of paper (if stocks and shares are still issued on bits of paper??), people who are possibly gonna get upset if they feel like they are being watched all the time - no, I 'm not saying you are watching all the time, but surely you appreciate the fact that this is how it could be seen by your tenant, especially if you confront them with what you've seen0 -
I think there are rules about how and when rent can be increased.
To be honest, given what you've said about keeping the property off the market for this couple, granting a 12 month fixed term instead of the 6 months you usually go for and agreeing not to increase the rent because I didn't want to pay more, I'd see you as a decent LL and maybe bit of a soft touch.
Just wait and see what comes out of the inspection. Maybe the cat will leave you a little present...possibly a vole...something along the rodent line.
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Single mother of two who was in 'desperate' need of a 3 bed house in the area. Albeit it was for 3 weeks...but it could have easily have fallen through from any angle and we would have been put back another 4 weeks or so.
Soft touch - maybe more than I should be. But I do believe in treat others how you would like to be treated. I think we've generally been overly nice during the tenancy and we play by the rules. Overall, I think it's a shame about the cat...and hugely unfortunate for us to have seen it at all!!!
https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/rent-increases - Can increase rent in August.0 -
Single mother of two who was in 'desperate' need of a 3 bed house in the area. Albeit it was for 3 weeks...but it could have easily have fallen through from any angle and we would have been put back another 4 weeks or so.
Soft touch - maybe more than I should be. But I do believe in treat others how you would like to be treated. I think we've generally been overly nice during the tenancy and we play by the rules. Overall, I think it's a shame about the cat...and hugely unfortunate for us to have seen it at all!!!
https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/rent-increases - Can increase rent in August.
I wouldn't necessarily take advantage by I can't vouch for my cheetah.0 -
- Look at it in the other side. What if a landlord has a bad history of tenants? I completely see where you are coming from…but you need to see both sides of the story. Whilst it’s not as extreme as some, I didn’t appreciate having to having to go back into what was your home and having to clean a disregarded pee stained toilet and a mound on ‘black and curlys’ from the corner of the room…
- The opinion of a tenant thinking that a landlord is doing an inspection to catch the tenant out makes the landlord very weary of their intentions.
- Insurance bit I edited but didn’t catch in. They carry excesses which can be covered by deposits…and after that runs out, I think we would be looking at what the cheetah did and not the catAgain, that comes across as you looking at it in too much personal way, regarding the rent increases. As a tenant you expect rent increases, of course you do. If I was advised at the end of an AST that my rent would be increasing, I would look at comparable rental prices in my area and decided whether I felt it was fair and would stay or if I thought it was too much - in which case I would either speak to the agent and try and negotiate or look to move on. If the landlord turned round and put it in the way you have above, no matter how big or small the increase was, I would want to move; to me it comes across as unprofessional and vindictive and would concern me regarding future dealings with my landlord.
I don't think its naïve of renters to expect a professional relationship between themselves and the landlord/letting agent, and I'm not saying landlords shouldn't be concerned about their investment, but they do need to know where to draw the line.
To follow up the 'stock and shares analogy', I know very little about the subject but I'm pretty sure there is legal recourse for an IFA going outside of the terms under which you employed them, but that's not the point I was trying to make, besides which in this analogy the IFA would be the letting agent, surely? What I was trying to say is firstly you are paying someone to do the job of keeping a eye on the property for you. If you feel you need to check up on them, by all means, but don't forget its people we are talking about not pieces of paper (if stocks and shares are still issued on bits of paper??), people who are possibly gonna get upset if they feel like they are being watched all the time - no, I 'm not saying you are watching all the time, but surely you appreciate the fact that this is how it could be seen by your tenant, especially if you confront them with what you've seen
With regards to this, I have stated that they are paying 10-20% below market price. You’d get a 1 or 2 bed flat within 3 miles for £50 more. They may be done up better but are a hell of a lot smaller and don’t have as good amenities. They know that they’re on a good deal and, as also stated and as you have, they will need to weigh up whether a 10% increase (which would still be 12% below averages) is worth the uproot for also having saved a few hundred quid over the past year.
The analogy is correct in your understanding. An investor will still look at the market though and discuss with the IFA what they feel if best. At this minute, I am the investor asking you (the IFA) what to do. I can either listen to your or not. Also, those stocks and shares and pieces of paper effect people in the same way that this would. But we’re getting into another realm there lol! We’ll drop the analogy.
Plus, it is literally the first time I have even been there in over 2 years! Just pure bad timing!0 -
Surely, that's not right - would you actually be able to take a section 8 to court on the basis of having seen a cat through a window, having no proof the cat was resident or that it belonged to the tenant?
Of course you could issue a S8 notice to a tenant and take it to court "on the basis of having seen a cat through a window". Whether or not you came away from the court with the decision you wanted, would be something else altogether.0 -
And here is a perfect example of why tenancy laws need overhauling...It is nice to see the value of your house going up'' Why ?
Unless you are planning to sell up and not live anywhere, I can;t see the advantage.
If you are planning to upsize the new house will cost more.
If you are planning to downsize your new house will cost more than it should
If you are trying to buy your first house its almost impossible.0 -
That's the kind of attitude which gives tenants a bad name. If you are/were a renter; I'd have you on three monthly inspections minimum. If you have that much disregard for someone wanting to ensure their property is in good nick, who knows what it would be like behind closed doors.
The deeds to the property are in the landlords name...if the house fell down, the tenant would be sad and upset for their material possession...but the landlord still have to clear up the mess...the bricks and mortar. Same goes for the interior and the state it is in until they have no legal ownership over that house. I'm not going to get into whether they deem it as their home or not...but it could quite easily not become their home through no choice of their own.
To question why a landlord should be concerned about a property they own (either as a profession or, in our case, for personal reasons) is comical! It's like investing in the stock market and not looking at the shares you bought for 3 years.
Wow, it astounds me how clueless and arrogant you are. Who CARES whose name is on the deeds to the house? It is NOT YOUR HOME as long as someone has a tenancy agreement.
Unfortunately for people who rent privately, there are too many people like you.
I take you back to the last sentence in my post:
"Urgh, gotta feel for private tenants. Some landlords are so power-crazy and are under that very wrong assumption that the house the tenants are living in is 'their home.' It isn't: not while someone has a tenancy there."
I seriously feel sorry for any tenants that have you as a landlord or anyone who is like you. Assuming you can come and go as you please, because YOUR name is on the deeds. You're clueless and really need to get yourself educated. Personally, if you came perving on me like you are with your tenants trying to live privately in 'THEIR HOME,' I would have you prosecuted for stalking.
I can't believe that you can't see how weird your behaviour is; driving around and conveniently looking in to peoples windows (and then trying to backskip, and make out a 5 year old child saw it and not you
.) It seems a bit weird and voyeuristic to me.
And inspections 3-monthly are ridiculous and unreasonable. Why on earth do you need to do inspections so often? What the hell do you expect to find?
And as for my attitude 'giving tenants a bad name;' there are far more people on here (like you) who give LANDLORDS a bad name than there are people who give tenants a bad name!
Fortunately I do not rent privately. Been there, done that. Too many horrible landlords. Fortunately I am not in the position of having to rent privately now. And with landlords with attitudes like yours; I could not be more glad!(•_•)
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^^^ I rest my case. Nuff said. Over and out. :cool:(•_•)
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