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zopa.co.uk - internet money lending exchange

Has anyone who's financially astute had a look at https://www.zopa.com ?

This appears to be an online money lending exchange, where a private individual can lend money to others at a mutually agreed rate.

It seems quite intriguing, but I wonder if the risks outweigh the chances of getting a few percent interest more than is available from my safe and secure ING Direct account @ 5% ?

Comments welcomed.

-andy
if i had known then what i know now

Comments

  • Debt_Free_Chick
    Debt_Free_Chick Posts: 13,276 Forumite
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    Yes, I've had a good look this morning.

    You ought to visit some of the debt sites, including Debt Free Wannabe on MSE. These are unsecured personal loans, so there's the chance of default by the borrower. Zopa says, don't worry we pass it on to debt collectors. What they don't tell you is that no-one can extract blood from a stone ;) So if the borrower finds themselves in dire straights e.g. redundancy, illness, death leaving no assets .... then you don't get your money back.

    Of course, the debt collectors may issue a CCJ, but it's cost prohibitive for small loans. And then, if the lender can only afford to repay £1 a month, then the Court may agree that the repayments should be lowered to £1 a month. Quite how you get your money back, if £1 has to be spread around 20 Zopa lenders is a mystery.

    So, no - it's less secure than your ING account. But I imagine the interest is more ... as ever, more risk is generally offset by (potentially) more reward ... only potentially though.

    However, the most worrying thing for me, is the sheer lack of detail on what happens if borrowers default. That, alone, made me nervous. It's like ... they're trying to hard something.

    Cheers
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  • MSE_Martin
    MSE_Martin Posts: 8,272 Money Saving Expert
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    I've been asked questions about this all day from journalists. Yet i can't get in touch with the company. As far as i'm concerned its pants.

    Why?

    1. You can earn 5.5% in a savings account, so if you're going to lend money you want higher returns than this
    2. They're only lending to people with good credit scores
    3. People with good credit scores can borrow at 3.9% in perpituity using the half price precision plastic technique, or can borrow at 5.7% from Barclaycard loans - a big safe, organisation.

    Seem to be with zopa it neither pays neither a borrower nor a lender to be!

    However i'm waiting for the company to contact me so i can discuss it further
    Martin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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  • blinko
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    it seems like betfair but without the betting !, i dont think it will take off and it just seems like a good place to get swindled although i havent tried it myself. there was an article about it in the business sunday times supplement but i wish the guy all the best of luck with his business i just hope too many people dont loose out
  • Marigold123
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    Sounds scary to me. Not my cup of tea at all.
    A penny saved is a penny gained
  • Debt_Free_Chick
    Debt_Free_Chick Posts: 13,276 Forumite
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    Martin

    If you make contact, can you put my points to them please?

    I reckon they would be unlikely to go for a CCJ - I can't see the individual lenders funding this and I'll bet that Zopa won't be prepared to fund it either.

    And that, for me, is simply too big a risk. You maybe know that I think I'm pretty clued up on Debt Management issues, so I know that if the borrower defaults, there's very little that can be done to enforce payment.

    You might also want to let them know that their lack of transparency on this issue does nothing for their credibility.

    Yes .... looks pants!
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  • cheerfulcat
    cheerfulcat Posts: 3,412 Forumite
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    If the borrower defaults, they *sell* the debt to a debt collector, and pass the proceeds on to you. Also, it's not one to one; your money is shared amongst 50 separate borrowers -

    http://www.zopa.com/ZopaWeb/public/help.shtml

    Go to the Lending bit and click on Could I Lose all my Money?

    An interesting idea but a wee bit risky :-)

    Cheerfulcat
  • MSE_Martin wrote:
    I've been asked questions about this all day from journalists. Yet i can't get in touch with the company. As far as i'm concerned its pants.

    Tut Tut Martin ..... and there's whats-his-name Shankleman on the Johnny Walker show talking to the people of Zopa...... call yourself a journalist!!!;)
    It has taken about 4,500,000,000 (4.5 billion) years for the Earth to form as it is now .........
    and it'll only take about another 100 years for mankind to really **** it up!!!!
  • MSE_Martin
    MSE_Martin Posts: 8,272 Money Saving Expert
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    I've already spoken to them - and my views are confirmed.

    martin

    I'm going to draft a wee note on it soon and put it in the loans board
    Martin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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  • Debt_Free_Chick
    Debt_Free_Chick Posts: 13,276 Forumite
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    Ah yes .... so whilst you might not lose all your money, you could lose a sizeable chunk as the debt collectors generally pay about 20% of the outstanding loan.

    Great .. ... not!
    Warning ..... I'm a peri-menopausal axe-wielding maniac ;)
  • MSE_Martin
    MSE_Martin Posts: 8,272 Money Saving Expert
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    Hi folks I've now rewritten a note - can we continue the discussion there to keep it all in one place

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=345717#post345717
    Martin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
    Please note, answers don't constitute financial advice, it is based on generalised journalistic research. Always ensure any decision is made with regards to your own individual circumstance.
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