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Robin Hood Energy conerns in the Nottingham press

Haarlem
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There is quite a bit of chatter on this article in the local press and on the Nottingham social media sites and many people are very critical of the City Council entering the energy market.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/concerns-raised-over-future-robin-3378006
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  • matelodave
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    This is a good read as well - glad I'm not a Nottingham ratepayer

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/robin-hood-energy-how-nottingham-2660682
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  • Robin Hood Energy, the energy supplier owned by Nottingham city council, has failed to pass on £9.5m in renewable energy subsidies after collecting them from customers through their bills.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/01/nottingham-based-energy-supplier-robin-hood-fails-to-pay-95m-in-subsidies
  • matelodave
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    It's usually the beginning of the end when they don't pay the renewable energy subsidies, because it means they've run out of money.

    Is the council going to bung them another heap of cash to prolong the agony?
    Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
  • brookheather
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    Looks like TOTO Energy will be going bust as well shortly - they owe £4.5m as well - they have delayed reporting their accounts twice this year through accounting tricks by lengthening and then shortening their year end. Judging by the large number of people waiting for credit balance refunds they won't have the cash to pay this.

    "The Authority has engaged with TOTO Energy Limited and invited it to explain the
    reason(s) for its non-payment, and to provide robust assurances to the Authority that it
    will be in a position to make the necessary payment by the late payment deadline of 31
    October 2019. TOTO Energy Limited has failed to provide the Authority with such
    assurances and accordingly the Authority is satisfied that TOTO Energy Limited is likely
    to contravene the requirements of the ROO and/or the ROS."

    https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/system/files/docs/2019/10/toto_-_notice_of_proposed_fo.pdf
  • matelodave
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    Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
  • Apparently Robin Hood previously asked Ofgem if they can pay their ROCs installments. Ofgem said as long as it's all in by March 2020 then that wouldn't be a problem.

    Would be interesting to know if Robin Hood mis-remember this conversation or if Ofgem have now had a change of heart.

    With 10 white labels, 9 being owned by councils, it would be interesting to see what the fallout would be from Robin Hood exiting the market.

    Toto I think have been told they need to pay Solarplicity's ROCs for the 45k customers they bought... Don't think anyone would miss them when they finally go.
  • This will allow RHE to pay their Renewable Obligations Certificate (ROCs) payment in full by the October deadline.

    The loan is expected to be paid off by RHE in full in the next six months, and the council will receive interest on its loan.

    A City Council spokesperson said: “Nottingham City Council has agreed to continue its support of Robin Hood Energy to enable it to continue the successful work it has undertaken to date.

    Read more here:
    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/city-council-loan-95-million-3455105
  • An article this week in Private Eye regarding Bristol Energy, in a similar vein to the goings on with RHE. Bristol City Council have provided £9m to keep it going - making a running total of almost £38m they have "invested"

    Bristol Energy is running at a loss of £10m a year, and is forecast to not turn a profit "for at least 5 years"

    Bristol council tax payers have seen all but two (two!) public toilets closed in the city, to save £400k a year.

    There is already a major supplier HQ'd in the city in OVO, who themselves struggle to make a profit, although apparently they are pretty close and on a surer footing. Ecotricity and Good Energy are also nearby, and make a profit, assisted in part by their upstream activities.

    It is becoming clear that it is almost impossible to turn a profit as a purely retail energy supplier. Should we ban councils from taking part in this folly?
  • CIS
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    It is becoming clear that it is almost impossible to turn a profit as a purely retail energy supplier. Should we ban councils from taking part in this folly?
    Under the current government it's unlikely as they actively tell council's to invest in businesses to generate (or try to) funds.
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a specialist Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
  • Tottington wrote: »
    An article this week in Private Eye regarding Bristol Energy, in a similar vein to the goings on with RHE. Bristol City Council have provided £9m to keep it going - making a running total of almost £38m they have "invested"

    Bristol Energy is running at a loss of £10m a year, and is forecast to not turn a profit "for at least 5 years"

    Bristol council tax payers have seen all but two (two!) public toilets closed in the city, to save £400k a year.

    There is already a major supplier HQ'd in the city in OVO, who themselves struggle to make a profit, although apparently they are pretty close and on a surer footing. Ecotricity and Good Energy are also nearby, and make a profit, assisted in part by their upstream activities.

    It is becoming clear that it is almost impossible to turn a profit as a purely retail energy supplier. Should we ban councils from taking part in this folly?

    Robin Hood Energy also supplies business customers
    As does Bristol Energy.

    British Gas (as opposed to Centrica that does other things apart from selling energy) last year made a profit of almost £0.5billion ;)
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