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  • Bearing in mind everything the OP, gudda96, has disclosed, the portfolio as is appears ridiculously inappropriate to me.

    It has <15% in "safe" assets and the overall sums are very modest.

    Following a deep bear market where recovery was very slow (ie. in contrast to post-GFC), any drawdowns would quickly deplete the safe assets meaning any further withdrawals would mean selling risk assets at (much) lower prices than they were bought for, rapidly shrinking the pot. Bearing in mind the ages involved, the option of waiting for full recovery may well simply not be available, ie. they'd either be sold low by the OP or by the estate.

    I don't know what gudda96's investment experience is but this portfolio looks like it's been assembled by someone who's total investment experience comprises the last 5-10 years, and with an implicit assumption those trends will persist indefinitely.

    I think gudda96 needs to start again from scratch.
  • gudda96
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    don't know what gudda96's investment experience is but this portfolio looks like it's been assembled by someone who's total investment experience comprises the last 5-10 years, and with an implicit assumption those trends will persist indefinitely.

    I think gudda96 needs to start again from scratch

    I would not argue with above observation, what I will say in my defence, when posting on here, or especially Citywire, the answers can very quickly get complicated as all or most have varied views, although all know more than me, so I have to pick the bones of it all, but I do agree with you, and most others, so I am starting again.

    MR Syn
    I could not open the Morning Star link, and I hear what you say re LS 40, as I have 80/20 which gets a good rating, would 60/40 be a decebt compromise? And could you claify what the fees are for CRT please
  • gudda96
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    Would you both agree that LTSE is a sound investment from an Global Equity point of view, and a consideration.
  • bowlhead99
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    edited 2 September 2019 at 6:05PM
    gudda96 wrote: »

    I could not open the Morning Star link, and I hear what you say re LS 40, as I have 80/20 which gets a good rating, would 60/40 be a decebt compromise? And could you claify what the fees are for CRT please

    The ongoing charges ratio on Capital Gearing Trust was 0.70% for the last financial year. You can see a portfolio listing in their last annual report at http://www.capitalgearingtrust.com/~/media/Files/C/CGT/CGT%202019%20Annual%20Report.pdf
    gudda96 wrote: »
    Would you both agree that LTSE is a sound investment from an Global Equity point of view, and a consideration.
    If you are referring to Lindsell Train Global Equity fund, it has been a very good performer but has a highly concentrated portfolio which can add risk.

    It's a consideration of course, but it's not clear that you need a 'sound investment from an Global Equity point of view', because, depending on your objectives, it might just be better to have a 'sound investment from lots of points of view' - i.e. 'some sort of mixed asset fund (s)' , rather than actually buying *any* 100% equity funds.
  • gudda96 wrote: »
    what I will say in my defence, when posting on here, or especially Citywire, the answers can very quickly get complicated as all or most have varied views, although all know more than me, so I have to pick the bones of it all,

    You don't (or should not) formulate an investment plan by attempting to decipher and then implement the "mean opinion" of a bunch of other well-meaning investors or commentators...

    Instead, you should seek to acquire a basic working knowledge and level of understanding and then form a plan using that acquired knowledge.

    Posters here and elsewhere can be part of that knowledge acquisition but not all of it. You need to reach a point where you're clear in your own mind what it is your trying to achieve and then subsequently how & why your chosen investments will help deliver that objective.

    This latter point (of knowing why you own what you own) becomes very important when markets enter difficult periods, as they will, and some or many of your investments begin performing (very) poorly compared to previously. If you don't know clearly why you own something you'll probably find yourself wanting to jettison them during difficult periods; in doing so, unless you're unusually lucky or skilled you'll likely achieve poor investment results. Lots of people do this, to their loss.

    gudda96 wrote: »
    but I do agree with you, and most others, so I am starting again.

    Good.

    Focus initially on what you're trying to achieve, and not by casting around for various funds that other well-meaning people like the sound of and might recommend to you.

    "What you're trying to achieve" will involve a little bit of thinking and a bit of work, as it needs to lie within the constraints of what's realistic, hence why gaining some basic investment knowledge is required. This knowledge will help you to appreciate the various risks involved and the compromises you'll make in balancing risks and returns. This is what's involved in deciding upon an investment plan.

    Choosing the actual investments to implement the plan comes next, followed by choosing a platform of where you'll hold those investments. If you've thought things through properly beforehand, the actual investment selection can be fairly straightforward, whereas without thinking things through beforehand it'll be like going around in circles of other people's opinions, groundhog day, etc.
  • eskbanker
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    bowlhead99 wrote: »
    If you are referring to Lindsey Train Global Equity fund....
    Does Nick have a sibling? ;)
  • Prism
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    gudda96 wrote: »
    Would you both agree that LTSE is a sound investment from an Global Equity point of view, and a consideration.

    Here is an example of an article that happened to come out today that discusses if a fund like LTGE might still work going forward and why.

    https://www.trustnet.com/news/7458466/will-the-quality-style-continue-to-outperform

    Only you can make that decision for yourself. I already made mine (but might change it in the future)
  • iglad
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    gudda96 wrote: »
    Ok Badger

    Not a lot in comparison to others on these forums, £40k to be exact, and I have JUST sold L/G health and Asia ex japan.this leaves

    FS
    SMT
    LGTE
    LS80/20
    VWRL

    more comments please as I want to end up with a porfolio that is as safe as one can be and I can stop buying/selling.I keep hearing about CGT ?
    I'm a bit curious as to why you sold Asia ex Japan?
  • bowlhead99
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    edited 2 September 2019 at 6:14PM
    iglad wrote: »
    I'm a bit curious as to why you sold Asia ex Japan?

    Presumably because:

    If you already have a Vanguard 80% equity fund-of-funds which is an equities-heavy fund built from trackers, whose underlying portfolio includes the Vanguard Pacific ex-Japan fund ; and then you also have VWRL which allocates its capital to regional indexes based on free float market cap (so 5.5% or more allocated to Pacific ex Japan, with an index approach) ...

    ... then when building your portfolio it doesn't make sense to add an extra fund that only allocates money to companies in the Pacific ex-Japan region, and does it using the same allocation weights as are found in the two vanguard funds you already bought.

    Unless you have some sort of psychic 'gut feel' that companies from the APAC ex-Jap region, weighted by free float market cap, will do better than the average of all the other regions in future ; and that you think it is good to hold a specialist regional equities-only fund, when you're trying to end up with a 'portfolio that is safe as one can be'.

    Dumping the APAC ex-Jap regional tracker seems a very sensible move. Using global funds or mixed asset funds is way more sensible for inexperienced investors, than building a portfolio of specialist funds and trying to guess at what allocations would be best.
  • DrSyn
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    gudda96 wrote: »
    MR Syn
    I could not open the Morning Star link, and I hear what you say re LS 40, as I have 80/20 which gets a good rating, would 60/40 be a decebt compromise? And could you claify what the fees are for CRT please


    Recap: 78 years old, wants capital protection, safety and to sleep at night.

    If that is correct, then I think you should consider those two funds mentioned in post 21.

    If you look at Capital Gearing Trust (CGT). The portfolio brake down shown on Morningstar is approximately this:-

    Bonds = 51%
    Stock = 21%
    Others= 19%
    Cash = 9%

    I have looked at the share/bond split of some well re-guarded wealth preservation trusts, non of them have anywhere near 60% shares in them. In my opinion 60% shares is too high for your stated aim.

    I think you are only concentrating on the upside. We have had a long bull market. At some time it will become a bear market.

    Have a look at this. It is for the S&P 500 but it shows just how bad things can become, Look at the graph next to the photo:-

    https://www.getrichslowly.org/bull-bear-markets/


    I assume you are asking about fees for Capital Gearing Trust.
    Maybe you would have better luck here:-

    https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/c/capital-gearing-trust-plc-ord-25p-shares


    There may be a problem at Morningstar.co.uk, try this link:-

    http://tools.morningstar.co.uk/uk/cefreport/default.aspx?SecurityToken=E0GBR004CX]2]0]FCGBR$$ALL
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