the sinclair c5 - 20 years ahead of its time ?

freddykruggar

Cardew wrote: »

Hydrogen contains no energy, but can carry it! So the energy for a Hydrogen car will have to come from another source.

Really? Best read up on it before you make statements like that....:rotfl:

"Hydrogen is highly combustible in air. It burned rapidly in the Hindenburg disaster on May 6th 1937."

shandypants5

I think the main problem with theC5 was the fact that you looked such a pillock riding one...

If it looked a little more "normal" then maybe it would have been more successfull.

like this maybe? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3321683/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CSports+and+fitness%7C9555568/c_2/2%7Ccat_9555568%7CBikes+and+cycling%7C9555587/c_3/3%7Ccat_9555587%7CLeisure+cycles%7C9555594.htm

moonrakerz

shandypants5 wrote: »

I think the main problem with theC5 was the fact that you looked such a pillock riding one...

If it looked a little more "normal" then maybe it would have been more successfull.

All the publicity about the C5, before it was seen, said it was an "electric car", so everyone was expecting something the size of a Fiesta - then when it appeared .................. !

Cardew

freddykruggar wrote: »

Really? Best read up on it before you make statements like that....:rotfl:

"Hydrogen is highly combustible in air. It burned rapidly in the Hindenburg disaster on May 6th 1937."

Yes really! Or water would explode!

What I stated was:

Hydrogen contains no energy, but can carry it! So the energy for a Hydrogen car will have to come from another source.

That is 100% accurate!

I don't want to get at cross purposes on this subject or we will go round and round in circles. For the purposes of this discussion, water is not going to be the fuel of the future!

An analogy is a elastic catapult. When I pull it back, I am putting the energy into the elastic, and when I let go it releases that enery.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_car

Hydrogen is an energy carrier, not an energy source, so the energy the car uses would ultimately need to be provided by a conventional power plant

An energy carrier is a substance or phenomenon that can be used to produce mechanical work or heat or to operate chemical or physical processes (ISO 13600).
It is any system or substance that contains energy for conversion as usable energy later or somewhere else. This could be converted for use in, for example, an appliance or vehicle. Such carriers include springs, electrical batteries, capacitors, pressurized air, dammed water, hydrogen, petroleum, coal, wood, and natural gas.
Hydrogen is a promising energy carrier for use in distributing renewable energy. Electricity is used to produce hydrogen by electrolyzing water, which is then used to power a hydrogen vehicle. The power is later derived from the hydrogen in the car's fuel cell which recombines hydrogen and oxygen, producing electricity, heat, and water. This principle may be put to use in the production of heat and electricity in households. Currently both hydrogen cars and household generators are in small scale production and use.
Note that Coal, oil and natural gas are energy sources which were extracted from the earth. They already contain stores of energy previously "charged," whereas springs, batteries, hydrogen etc. typically contain energy derived from a power plant or solar panels

lowbrim

Whilst i dont want to start a frenzy of argument the answer is in your script Quote "The power is later derived from the hydrogen in the car's fuel cell"

Hydrogen is a combustable Gas!!

Cardew

lowbrim wrote: »

Whilst i dont want to start a frenzy of argument the answer is in your script Quote "The power is later derived from the hydrogen in the car's fuel cell"

Hydrogen is a combustable Gas!!

I am not sure what point you are making.

Of course hydrogen is a combustable gas, that is not in dispute; it is what powers the hydrogen car!

However Hydrogen is a means of carrying the energy. i.e.

" Electricity is used to produce hydrogen by electrolyzing water, which is then used to power a hydrogen vehicle.

The point is that Hydrogen in its natural state(the universe's commonest and lightest element) does not contain energy like gas, oil, coal etc.

So putting water into the fuel tank of a car will not produce any energy to propel the car. That energy will come from electricity.

freddykruggar

just like putting crude oil into your tank wont do anything,

your argument is flawed, come back with a better one

Cardew

freddykruggar wrote: »

just like putting crude oil into your tank wont do anything,

your argument is flawed, come back with a better one

I really don't mind a debate, but I am beyond being wound up over something this silly!

If you really don't understand the point I am making, then there is no point in continuing this discussion. If you feel the argument is flawed - so be it.

Please go and argue with Geordie or anyone else you feel will rise to the bait.

freddykruggar

nar, he wont talk anymore, besides your more fun because you know your wrong but cant now admit it without looking stupid....

moonrakerz

freddykruggar wrote: »

nar, he wont talk anymore, besides your more fun because you know your wrong but cant now admit it without looking stupid....

The site seems to be infested with antagonistic posts from trolls this afternoon - do they all have a day off from playschool ?