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Endowment - Keep or Sell?
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Hi All
I have a with profits endowment policy with Friends Provident which I took out in November 1991 in tandem with a mortgage which it was supposed to repay 25 years later when it matures in November 2016. I have continued to make payments to the policy despite not owning a property for several years and am now wondering whether I should just sell the policy. The plan details are as follows:
Start date: 19/11/1991
Maturity date: 19/11/2016
Target amount/Life cover: £32,000
Monthly payment: £39.40
Guaranteed amount for bonuses: £11,552.00
Declared bonuses added in previous years: £4,197.43
New bonuses added this year: £10.49
Total of guaranteed amount plus all bonuses: £15,759.92
Bonus rate on guaranteed amount: 0.00%
Bonus rate on existing bonuses: 0.25%
Forecast payout @ 4% growth = £17,900
Forecast payout @ 5.5% growth = £19,900
Forecast payout @ 8% growth = £23,800
Surrender value as of today (4/6/08) is £10,349 - I enquired a while back about selling as a traded endowment policy and the offer was only marginally higher than the surrender value, so I assume still not too much difference as of now. I will check pending feedback on here.
So my question is, is it worthwhile continuing to pay this policy up?
I don't need the cash. I have no dependants although the life cover may be useful should I need a mortgage in years to come? I pay higher rate tax and eradicate my 40% liability by making pension payments but ofcourse could pay more. Yet if the likelihood is that this policy will earn no more than if the lump sum and future payments were stuck in a decent interest paying savings account, am I wasting my time with this?
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Edited to say that I forgot to mention that the surrender value always seems to increase dramatically on each anniversary of the policy (i.e. November), so that would seem the best time to sell if any. Any views on that?
I have a with profits endowment policy with Friends Provident which I took out in November 1991 in tandem with a mortgage which it was supposed to repay 25 years later when it matures in November 2016. I have continued to make payments to the policy despite not owning a property for several years and am now wondering whether I should just sell the policy. The plan details are as follows:
Start date: 19/11/1991
Maturity date: 19/11/2016
Target amount/Life cover: £32,000
Monthly payment: £39.40
Guaranteed amount for bonuses: £11,552.00
Declared bonuses added in previous years: £4,197.43
New bonuses added this year: £10.49
Total of guaranteed amount plus all bonuses: £15,759.92
Bonus rate on guaranteed amount: 0.00%
Bonus rate on existing bonuses: 0.25%
Forecast payout @ 4% growth = £17,900
Forecast payout @ 5.5% growth = £19,900
Forecast payout @ 8% growth = £23,800
Surrender value as of today (4/6/08) is £10,349 - I enquired a while back about selling as a traded endowment policy and the offer was only marginally higher than the surrender value, so I assume still not too much difference as of now. I will check pending feedback on here.
So my question is, is it worthwhile continuing to pay this policy up?
I don't need the cash. I have no dependants although the life cover may be useful should I need a mortgage in years to come? I pay higher rate tax and eradicate my 40% liability by making pension payments but ofcourse could pay more. Yet if the likelihood is that this policy will earn no more than if the lump sum and future payments were stuck in a decent interest paying savings account, am I wasting my time with this?
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Edited to say that I forgot to mention that the surrender value always seems to increase dramatically on each anniversary of the policy (i.e. November), so that would seem the best time to sell if any. Any views on that?
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So the only bonus you are getting is 0.25% of the bonuses you already have.Guaranteed amount for bonuses: £11,552.00
Declared bonuses added in previous years: £4,197.43
New bonuses added this year: £10.49
Total of guaranteed amount plus all bonuses: £15,759.92
Bonus rate on guaranteed amount: 0.00%
Bonus rate on existing bonuses: 0.25%
What a great example of a with-profits policy.:rolleyes:
I am certain that others will give informed opinion shortly.0 -
Anybody got any advice?
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Forecast payout @ 4% growth = £17,900
Forecast payout @ 5.5% growth = £19,900
Forecast payout @ 8% growth = £23,800
If you cashede this one in and put it on deposit at a net 5%, also paying in the monthly premiums to maturity you would end up with 19,879 with no risk. Much the same as the forecast. So basically there's no risk premium left in the policy, so it's not worth keeping.Trying to keep it simple...
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Many FP plans have access to their unit linked range so there can be a risk premium.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0
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Many FP plans have access to their unit linked range so there can be a risk premium.
But oif you wanted to invest in that kind of fund with no guarantees attached, you wouldn't use an endowment where you pay 20% tax and compulsory life cover, but rather a modern tax free ISA, which will almost certainly have a better choice of funds as well.Trying to keep it simple...
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EdInvestor wrote: »If you cashed this one in and put it on deposit at a net 5%, also paying in the monthly premiums to maturity you would end up with 19,879 with no risk. Much the same as the forecast. So basically there's no risk premium left in the policy, so it's not worth keeping.
Thanks for the replies.
The above was my thinking based on simple arithmetic. I presume by 'no risk premium', you mean that the investments within the endowment have very little risk (i.e plenty fixed interest investment, cash equivalents and the like), therefore there's not likely to be much upside to continuing with the policy?
That being the case, I think I'll sell.
P.S. I've never received anything regarding ability to switch funds, so as far as I am aware, I'm stuck with what I've got.0
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