Global warming and "convenience"

moonrakerz

A_fiend_for_life wrote: »

The only thing I remember about another ice age was part of the natural cycle rather than man made causes and that another ice age was overdue. My understanding is this was academic research and understanding at the time and was not viewed as something that could be prevented.

What was warned and campaigned against was nuclear weapons and the threat of a nuclear winter.

Isn't it amazing how selective one's memory can be ?

1. There were predictions of an imminent ice age caused by man's activities - didn't happen
2. There were predictions of a nuclear holocaust - didn't happen
3. There were predictions of an ecological disaster due to "acid rain" (remember that ?) - didn't happen

When a predicted disaster doesn't actually occur it really is amazing how quickly those who forecast it forget/deny their predictions !

moonrakerz

......and finally......

"You really couldn't make it up" has become a bit of an overused cliche of late, but even my wildest imaginings were surpassed on Radio 4 this morning.

I, previously,(perhaps a little tongue in cheek) had likened "non-believers" or even sceptics of man-made global warming to medieval heretics likely to be burnt at the stake for their non-beliefs.

This morning I heard the Bishop of Stafford saying that those who didn't believe in man-made global warming were on a par with that nice man in Austria who locked his daughter in a cellar for 20 odd years, continually raped her and fathered 7 children by her.

I don't think that there is anything more I can say to add to the sheer crass stupidity of this so-called cleric. He does the "Green" cause no good and puts another nail in the coffin of the Church of England. What a buffoon !

geordie_joe

moonrakerz wrote: »

......and finally......

"You really couldn't make it up" has become a bit of an overused cliche of late, but even my wildest imaginings were surpassed on Radio 4 this morning.

I, previously,(perhaps a little tongue in cheek) had likened "non-believers" or even sceptics of man-made global warming to medieval heretics likely to be burnt at the stake for their non-beliefs.

This morning I heard the Bishop of Stafford saying that those who didn't believe in man-made global warming were on a par with that nice man in Austria who locked his daughter in a cellar for 20 odd years, continually raped her and fathered 7 children by her.

I don't think that there is anything more I can say to add to the sheer crass stupidity of this so-called cleric. He does the "Green" cause no good and puts another nail in the coffin of the Church of England. What a buffoon !

You beat me too it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7430684.stm

magyar

moonrakerz wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how selective one's memory can be ?

1. There were predictions of an imminent ice age caused by man's activities - didn't happen
2. There were predictions of a nuclear holocaust - didn't happen
3. There were predictions of an ecological disaster due to "acid rain" (remember that ?) - didn't happen

When a predicted disaster doesn't actually occur it really is amazing how quickly those who forecast it forget/deny their predictions !

Leaving aside the ice age one - and only because we disagree on the validity of its inclusion - the other two didn't happen (or haven't yet happened...) because Man did something about it.

The peace campaigns of the 60s and 70s did a massive amount to raise awareness of the need for nuclear arms reduction, and in terms of acid rain we have implemented all sorts of mitigation such as flue gas desulphurisation on power stations and so on. The other point is that acid rain is still a problem. It just isn't a sexy problem as far as the media are concerned.

If climate change doesn't happen as a result of the world changing it's way of life, then that doesn't mean the predictions were wrong.

Cardew

magyar wrote: »

If climate change doesn't happen as a result of the world changing it's way of life, then that doesn't mean the predictions were wrong.

So those supporting the global warming theory are in a win/win situation.;)

The Greenham Common protesters have also saved the world from a nuclear catastrophe! cos we ain't had a nuclear war!

OK I am being facetious.

moonrakerz

Cardew wrote: »

The Greenham Common protesters have also saved the world from a nuclear catastrophe! cos we ain't had a nuclear war!

and I thought it was down to me by toting nuclear missiles around for all those years !

A_fiend_for_life

moonrakerz wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how selective one's memory can be ?

1. There were predictions of an imminent ice age caused by man's activities - didn't happen
2. There were predictions of a nuclear holocaust - didn't happen
3. There were predictions of an ecological disaster due to "acid rain" (remember that ?) - didn't happen

When a predicted disaster doesn't actually occur it really is amazing how quickly those who forecast it forget/deny their predictions !

1. I recall it was part of a natural cycle - if youv'e any reference on the man made bit that would be great.
2. Hasn't happened yet but we still have nuclear weapons!!
3. There were certainly lakes and forests that were destroyed by acid rain. To me that is an ecological disaster. It depends how big you think a disaster has to be before you call it a disaster. Since there has been mitigation through SOX filtering and neutralising acidified lakes that has, as mentioned above been largely mitigated.

Further on acid rain, the damage can be extreme but also have less obvious effects such as reduced fecundity and differential effects on different species. So a disaster may not be an all or nothing event.

moonrakerz

A_fiend_for_life wrote: »

1. I recall it was part of a natural cycle - if youv'e any reference on the man made bit that would be great.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_5_23/ai_n25002469

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

http://mustelid.blogspot.com/2005/09/back-to-ice-ages-ice-by-fred-hoyle.html

http://www.urban-renaissance.org/urbanren/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=17628

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/241006_b_Cooling.htm

http://centerformoralliberalism.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/the-coming-global-ice-age/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1663607/posts

http://brothersjuddblog.com/archives/2006/02/were_all_lenini.html
"The ice age scare was not the tiny sideshow climate action advocates today try to claim that it was;"

http://www.diazvillanueva.com/2006/04/is_the_planet_w.html
"Great part of Ehrlich readers and almost all those that in the 70s wrote until the exhaustion to demonstrate the near ice age, are today the defenders of the global warming"

http://www.newsweek.com/id/72481?tid=relatedcl

Or to be really up to date, someone is predicting new ice ages now - again !

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23583382-5009760,00.html

My apologies if I have repeated myself, but Google only came up with 633,000 hits !

Just in case we stray too far from the point. My original assertion was that in the 70s people were predicting an ice age - several people were only too happy to tell me that this was not so ..............................................

QED !

geordie_joe

Nice post moonrakerz

I particularly liked the last link. A paragraph from that page clearly shows the the "Global Warming Researcher" either don't have a clue or they think their believers don't have a clue and will believe anything they say.

The researchers wrote in the journal Nature that the sun's brightness varied by only 0.07per cent over 11-year sunspot cycles, and that that was far too little to account for the rise in temperatures since the Industrial Revolution.

Who said it was the suns brightness that affected the climate?

A_fiend_for_life

moonrakerz wrote: »

Just in case we stray too far from the point. My original assertion was that in the 70s people were predicting an ice age - several people were only too happy to tell me that this was not so ..............................................

QED !

Point taken

Thanks for the up to date link on Global Cooling...sensationalist to say the least despite the author stating twice that too much should not be read into one year.
..and a return to blackening the snow and the use of nuclear missiles on methyl-hydrate deposits.