What's wrong with letting people get repossesed ?

LillyJ

ianmr65 wrote: »

Whatever the rights of wrongs of BB's personal circumstances here are a few harsh facts about benefits.

80% of the health, and benfits pot of £120bn is spent on OAP's
Illigal immigrants and benefit cheats take about 1/4 of one percent of the benefits pot (call it £300m)
Tax evasion & avoidance. by companies, and individuals, acounts for something like £20bn in lost revenue to the exchequer.
Goverment & Public Sector Index linked penisons (for life) account for £20bn today!!
The budget defecit is running at about £100bn,

Now which of these numbers do you think we as a nation should really be really worried about, and why?

Right that's it then. We should all top our selves at 65 to do a service to those remaining.

ianmr65

LillyJ wrote: »

PS PLEASE read up on the amount of NHS budget used on smoking and obesity related conditions, if you genuinely think thin smokers use more health benefits then I suggest you go away and look in to it again! (THis is my pet subject, public health so don't get me started!)

NHS spend on 'obesity' £7bn
NHS spend on smoking £1.7bn

Though quite how you prove that someone has gotten ill using 'obesity' tables that were made up by actuaries in the 1950's is beyond me. According to the obesity tables most of the athelites and sportsmen on this planet are clinically obese!!

A hard fact : Annual revenue from smoking and tobacco duties £20bn

ianmr65

LillyJ wrote: »

Right that's it then. We should all top our selves at 65 to do a service to those remaining.

No just have a ciggie, hun, it'll do the job for you.. (Ian lights up happily) Ps you have a lovely name Lilly!!

ianmr65

LillyJ wrote: »

if you genuinely think thin smokers use more health benefits then I suggest you go away and look in to it again!

i think i said non-smoking thin teetotalers

LillyJ

ianmr65 wrote: »

NHS spend on 'obesity' £7bn
NHS spend on smoking £1.7bn

Though quite how you prove that someone has gotten ill using 'obesity' tables that were made up by actuaries in the 1950's is beyond me. According to the obesity tables most of the athelites and sportsmen on this planet are clinically obese!!

A hard fact : Annual revenue from smoking and tobacco duties £20bn

I am well aware of BMI figures, but unfortunately most people are not elite athletes and therefore their BMI is made up of FAT. The elite athletes also tend not to get type 2 diabetes and coronary artery disease so wouldn't be in the figures anway. I think you will also find they don't just say "this person is obese therefore every time they come to hospital we will put this down as an obesity related condition", it is only conditions treated as a direct result of the obesity.(Which are many and varied from cardiac to orthopaedic)
It just amazes me that people think that just because they die younger obese smokers use less health care. As a proportion of the population they far exceed the health care requirements of the rest of us, and are generally (and please don't tell me about your obese 40 a day uncle who lived to 95) unhealthy and require more health care before they die. That is a fact as well.

Sorry completely unrelated topic but PhD thesis was in public health so I can't help myself.

LillyJ

ianmr65 wrote: »

i think i said non-smoking thin teetotalers

Actually you will find a moderate amount of alcohol will actually lower your risk of heart disease. J shaped curve for all you statistical people.

LillyJ

ianmr65 wrote: »

No just have a ciggie, hun, it'll do the job for you.. (Ian lights up happily) Ps you have a lovely name Lilly!!

Yep, it probably would. Although I would probably also have bilateral below knee amputations, hemiplegia from a stroke and angina every time I tried to walk to get more fags from the shop.

PS thanks about the name, it is my name in real life. (obviously surname not just J but you get what I mean!)

ianmr65

LillyJ wrote: »

I am well aware of BMI figures, but unfortunately most people are not elite athletes and therefore their BMI is made up of FAT. The elite athletes also tend not to get type 2 diabetes and coronary artery disease so wouldn't be in the figures anway. I think you will also find they don't just say "this person is obese therefore every time they come to hospital we will put this down as an obesity related condition", it is only conditions treated as a direct result of the obesity.(Which are many and varied from cardiac to orthopaedic)
It just amazes me that people think that just because they die younger obese smokers use less health care. As a proportion of the population they far exceed the health care requirements of the rest of us, and are generally (and please don't tell me about your obese 40 a day uncle who lived to 95) unhealthy and require more health care before they die. That is a fact as well.

Sorry completely unrelated topic but PhD thesis was in public health so I can't help myself.

I agree with all of that. My point is that smokers and heavy drinkers net contribution to the health care budget is far higher than moderate drinkers, who don't smoke. + By dieng younger they cost the nation less, in pensions and so forth.

And That obesity tables are too broadly painted. We should be mesuring fat= tissue vs lean tissue - cholesterol, blood pressure, BMR, and Resting heart rates + distribution of fat.
Rather than just measuring how much somebody weighs.

Women who have fat distributed around their hips, and bust, are far healtheir, than women who it distributed around their belly.

And men who have an even fat distribution, are far healthier than men who have a beer belly

ianmr65

LillyJ wrote: »

Actually you will find a moderate amount of alcohol will actually lower your risk of heart disease. J shaped curve for all you statistical people.

Sort of... whats moderate?, The BMI changed 'safe' units down to 21 to 28, and with no basis on reserch & unlilaterally around 1980,

... alcohol is a very rapidly absorbed food, does not fill you up, and acts as an appetite suppresant. so the risk is that food consumed, will be stored as fat rather than used. The circulation gains for moderate drinkers are probably outweighed by fat gains.

LillyJ

ianmr65 wrote: »

Sort of... whats moderate?, The BMI changed 'safe' units down to 21 to 28, and with no basis on reserch & unlilaterally around 1980,

... alcohol is a very rapidly absorbed food, does not fill you up, and acts as an appetite suppresant. so the risk is that food consumed, will be stored as fat rather than used. The circulation gains for moderate drinkers are probably outweighed by fat gains.

Erm who are the BMI???

No, moderate does not mean 21 units a week, it means one unit per night ie 7 per week. If you drink to the limits of "safety" your risk increases quite a bit, in fact more than those who don't drink.