JSA: Employer claiming job was left voluntrily

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Bob_Malooga wrote: »

So if they cant do the job then why go for the job

OP took a job- perhaps you need to enlighten yourself with job situations these days.(please see forum) Job, or no job.... Wage, or JSA. Hmmmm.

How do you know what you are good at until you have tried it?
How come OP actually got the job in the first place? I don't think he barged his way in and chained himself to a desk shouting 'this is my job, whether you like it or not'. Someone in the company gave OP the job, thus predicting they would be able to do it.

Bob_Malooga wrote: »

and anyone with an ounce of sense can do sales its the easiest job ever and requires no real intelligence, just an ounce worth.

Anyone with morals and consideration for other people may find it difficult to do the job. But then there are different sales with different targets, so that needs to be considered.

For example I took on a sales job many years ago for double glazing. I lasted 2 shifts, as it was disgustingly forceful. The higher guys were dribbling at the thought of commission and had me push a sales to a very old man who was unable to say no, but clearly didn't want it. It was disturbing to say the least.

So, no it's not easy. Pressures to hit targets, which may not be reasonable, being able to say things in a certain way, making people want something that they don't, having to 'feel' the product and making yourself look as though you trust it, when maybe you don't etc I would say that makes for a very tiring and stressful job. Intelligence? debatable. Your right, maybe intelligence stands in the way of a job like this, as thinking for yourself can create problems.

foxyuk

Bob_Malooga wrote: »

So if they cant do the job then why go for the job, and anyone with an ounce of sense can do sales its the easiest job ever and requires no real intelligence, just an ounce worth.

m8 you are a !!!!.....

direct sales jobs are hit and miss... throw you in the deep end and expect you to shine and if you dont you are out in your ear... guess you have never been in one hence your patronising view

Edinburghlass_2

Can users please ignore the above poster, he has been reported and the posts will be removed as soon as possible.

edited to add the posts alluded to have now been removed.

daveboy

The OP should be made aware that, should a sanction be applied, it may be backdated. JSA will be paid while a decision is made, but they could then send a letter saying it is sanctioned from a date that could be weeks ago. This will then mean the DWP trying to claw the money back.

My view is that you left your job voluntarily.

I say this as my partner is currently not working as where she was did not continue the employment after the 3 month probationary period. She is claiming JSA at the moment with no threat of a sanction.

If you were in a probationary period you should have, if possible, let it run its course (I realise that employers may be able to let people go at any point during this period).

Some people claim benefits because they find themselves in situations they don't expect to find themselves in.........

Such as myself claiming Incapacity Benefit after an ileostomy operation which saved my life a month ago. I cannot work until I have fully recovered....I have worked and paid my way and the way I see it is I am receiving back what I have put in over the years.

I really couldn't care if those that earn £50k a year or more, who come on here and read the threads, think I'm a loser.

Guess what? I'm just happy to be alive rather than in a coffin.

mogimorgan

Well first I would like to state to Bob whoever he is that I always, and always will, give 110% to any job I do. I didn't want to give up, I wanted to do the job as well as I could and make some good money in the process. I am not lazy as you sugest.

I had to make two sales a day. Now this was selling advertising on a website to builder/plasters/plummer etc, and had to get there credit/debit card details there and than on the phone and charge them over 400 quid for this! Now there were people who were brillaint at this and had been there years hitting 20 sales a week, making pots and pots of money. However in the time I was there I made 3 sales, even though I had the highest ever call time the company had ever seen e.g. 5.5 hrs actual call time every single day. The average was 2-3 hrs. There was no question to my effort.

But at the end of the day they pay me wages to sell and I made 3 sales in the time I was there - so therefore I didn't make enough.

I believe I had to leave my job, I couldn't have a 2 and half mouth blotch on my record saying I was dismissed. I had to argee to leave. There was no other choice!

I will argue my case with the DWP and hopefully I will get somewere, but if a sanction applies not much I can do. I will keep you informed.

Many thanks for all your help, inc. BOB....well not really!

daveboy

What I was attempting to get across in my previous post was that had the probationary periodrun it's course, and they let you go, it would not be classed as a dismissal. I certainly don't think that my partner was 'dismissed' as that is something that happens for gross misconduct. On a future application form she will simply detail that she was let go at the end of the probationary period....she can still have a reference from the company concerned.

This is why I feel you are experiencing this situation. But I do understand how you felt you had to get out. I could never do a job in sales as I don't believe in shoving anything at people when they don't necessarily want it, and you may not believe in what you're selling as well. I really do feel sorry for those that work in mobile phone outlets...the pouncers that mean I never enter one any more!

I hope the DWP see sense...you can appeal if a sanction is applied and from what you have said you should certainly take it up if it ultimately comes to it.

LittleVoice

daveboy wrote: »

What I was attempting to get across in my previous post was that had the probationary periodrun it's course, and they let you go, it would not be classed as a dismissal. I certainly don't think that my partner was 'dismissed' as that is something that happens for gross misconduct.
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Actually, if you don't resign and the employer tells you not to continue - that is a dismissal. If you are "let go" as you put it because of redundancy - that is a dismissal. To be dismissed because of gross misconduct - that is a dismissal.

Being dismissed is not of itself a blot on your record - it is the reason for it which matters.

daveboy

Officially you are certainly correct...but surely I can't be the only one who has always believed that to be 'dismissed' is something that only happens when you have done something deemed to be gross misconduct.

I know that the official term for that is 'summary dismissal'.

I was also of the opinion that if you were in a probationary period they would just be letting you go, as at that point the job is not permanent. But I do recognise that when all said and done, LittleVoice is spot on.

It's just down to how people see things really.

NAF_3

The best advice I can give is simply to tell the truth about what happened. If you get a sensible Decision Maker they will decide in your favour.

Unfortunately you did officially leave the job voluntarily and some DM's will let that be the basis of their decision rather than the fact you would have been left unemployed either way.

NAF_3

daveboy wrote: »

The OP should be made aware that, should a sanction be applied, it may be backdated. JSA will be paid while a decision is made, but they could then send a letter saying it is sanctioned from a date that could be weeks ago. This will then mean the DWP trying to claw the money back.

I don't think I have ever seen a case where a sanction has been backdated. Since I have been involved in the benefits system Sanctions have been applied from the next BWE (Benefit Week Ending). To backdate it would mean extra work and causing excessive discomfort to the customer.

The last thing most people want to do is raise an overpayment where it isnt absolutely necessary.