Scrapping of home working expenses tax relief

HedgehogRulez

elsien said:

The cost for heating and electric from working from home are tiny - Much less than the cost of commuting and parking.  For the majority of people, the bog standard Internet that they already have is sufficient so no extra cost there.  

And generally speaking you also save money on food unless you particularly organised with taking your lunch out with you every day. Plus the convenience have been at home for workmen et cetera rather than having to take half a day off. 

Working from home has its pros and cons, as does working from an office but it does not come with a lot of extra costs. 

Struggling to think of any cons working from home tbh….

MattMattMattUK

HedgehogRulez said:

elsien said:

The cost for heating and electric from working from home are tiny - Much less than the cost of commuting and parking.  For the majority of people, the bog standard Internet that they already have is sufficient so no extra cost there.  

And generally speaking you also save money on food unless you particularly organised with taking your lunch out with you every day. Plus the convenience have been at home for workmen et cetera rather than having to take half a day off. 

Working from home has its pros and cons, as does working from an office but it does not come with a lot of extra costs. 

Struggling to think of any cons working from home tbh….

It depends on the job obviously, but even for a job which can be done entirely from home there are still benefits to going into an office. Knowledge is shared far more fluidly in a shared space, not just as required but also from people having general discussions. It is far easier to ask someone to help with something quickly than having to book in a Teams call etc. there is also a social aspect for many people.

WFH generally benefits those with children and those whose careers have stagnated or are close to their end, it is generally quite negative for youger people looking to progress, build networks, gain knowledge and skills, as well as anyone who likes the social aspect.

Albermarle

MattMattMattUK said:

HedgehogRulez said:

elsien said:

The cost for heating and electric from working from home are tiny - Much less than the cost of commuting and parking.  For the majority of people, the bog standard Internet that they already have is sufficient so no extra cost there.  

And generally speaking you also save money on food unless you particularly organised with taking your lunch out with you every day. Plus the convenience have been at home for workmen et cetera rather than having to take half a day off. 

Working from home has its pros and cons, as does working from an office but it does not come with a lot of extra costs. 

Struggling to think of any cons working from home tbh….

It depends on the job obviously, but even for a job which can be done entirely from home there are still benefits to going into an office. Knowledge is shared far more fluidly in a shared space, not just as required but also from people having general discussions. It is far easier to ask someone to help with something quickly than having to book in a Teams call etc. there is also a social aspect for many people.

WFH generally benefits those with children and those whose careers have stagnated or are close to their end, it is generally quite negative for youger people looking to progress, build networks, gain knowledge and skills, as well as anyone who likes the social aspect.

Also difficult for new staff to get in the swing of the job, office culture, informal networks etc 

SacredStephan

I don't remember hearing this in the Budget speech.

elsien

I am on a working from home contract, although my job does involve being out in about seeing clients several days a week.
I would have to give up the job if I was sat on my own five days a week in my home office - it would completely fry my brain. 

Our office closed during Covid. It’s not a great deal of fun having to do teams meetings from the car when it’s minus whatever outside because I live too far away from my work location to return home between visits. 

Isthisforreal99

SacredStephan said:

I don't remember hearing this in the Budget speech.

Not every policy changed is mentioned in the speech.......would be a very long afternoon

Dazed_and_C0nfused

Isthisforreal99 said:

SacredStephan said:

I don't remember hearing this in the Budget speech.

Not every policy changed is mentioned in the speech.......would be a very long afternoon

True.  I don't think the beneficial ordering element of the change to the taxation of savings and property income was in the speech.

monkey-fingers

HedgehogRulez said:

elsien said:

The cost for heating and electric from working from home are tiny - Much less than the cost of commuting and parking.  For the majority of people, the bog standard Internet that they already have is sufficient so no extra cost there.  

And generally speaking you also save money on food unless you particularly organised with taking your lunch out with you every day. Plus the convenience have been at home for workmen et cetera rather than having to take half a day off. 

Working from home has its pros and cons, as does working from an office but it does not come with a lot of extra costs. 

Struggling to think of any cons working from home tbh….

As someone who used to drive a few miles to the office in an EV (total cost about 30p), I do miss the interaction with other people.

Our heating and electric bill over winter has more than trebled though. Certainly more than 30p per day.
And I stopped having lunch a long time ago. Free coffee in the office, so arguably a saving there too (I'm a coffee snob, so at least £3+ a week at home).

As an aside, if you run a Ltd company, you can still home expense. Just be aware about the capital gains potential.

person1804

Not so good if one works for the public sector. Many state school teachers, for example, do a fair bit of planning, preparation, marking, etc at home in evenings and weekends. They are still driving too/from school but school buildings typically open and close at fixed times.

So, what happens here is that the cost of paper, pens, etc that teachers already subsidise the state sector pupils and school system with are no longer income tax deductible. Yes, the schools can buy them excluding VAT. But teachers can't. So it was a kind of quid pro quo. Now its just another way to give to teachers and then take away with the others.

Anyone noticed how teachers have not made anything like the same fuss as doctors about how their relative salary levels have dropped in real terms since 2009? You would not believe what proportion of an MP's salary a state school teacher used to get in 1988: even under Margaret Thatcher for goodness sake! Are MPs any less at risk of replacement by AI/robots than doctors or teachers?!

sheramber

person1804 said:

Not so good if one works for the public sector. Many state school teachers, for example, do a fair bit of planning, preparation, marking, etc at home in evenings and weekends. They are still driving too/from school but school buildings typically open and close at fixed times.

So, what happens here is that the cost of paper, pens, etc that teachers already subsidise the state sector pupils and school system with are no longer income tax deductible. Yes, the schools can buy them excluding VAT. But teachers can't. So it was a kind of quid pro quo. Now its just another way to give to teachers and then take away with the others.

Anyone noticed how teachers have not made anything like the same fuss as doctors about how their relative salary levels have dropped in real terms since 2009? You would not believe what proportion of an MP's salary a state school teacher used to get in 1988: even under Margaret Thatcher for goodness sake! Are MPs any less at risk of replacement by AI/robots than doctors or teachers?!

Why would the teachers not get pens, pencils etc from the school?

No need to buy their own.