Appraisals that make no difference

tir21

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

EnPointe

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

That's the thing isn't it... 

'shy bairns get no sweeties '

most of my line managers for the  past couple of decades  probably consider me a bit of a pain, but  a bit of give and take and  few quid pro quo  is what  keeps you  in the minds of management in a good way. 

in a minimum wage job 'exceeding expectations'  can be a simple asa bit of quid pro quo  on shifts , or  just being the  person that remembers to escalate or  will take that  5 minute breather to go and refill the hand towels or get a  new tub  of soap from the  stock room...  it's also  not getting caught  too often  becasue "if there's time to lean,. there's time to clean..." Often expectations are low , and that actually doing your job without  prompting and not leaving the workplace as a complete midden  places at the top end of  "meeting expectations"  meaning it  takes very little to tip into exceeds exepctations.

zagfles

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

So what happens when people exceed expectations on a regular basis, do they get a payrise or promotion? If not can understand the pointlessness of appraisals. In a previous job I got "exceeded expectations" in my appraisals year after year but didn't get better payrises than those who didn't, despite supposedly having " performance related pay", so in the end I just adopted "pay related performance" and matched my output to what they were paying. Didn't enjoy it but they got the message, all of a sudden I got a promotion 

Undervalued

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Presumably, those that exceed expectations are more likely to be considered for promotion when the opportunity arises?

Not all rewards are immediate!

tir21

Undervalued said:

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Presumably, those that exceed expectations are more likely to be considered for promotion when the opportunity arises?

Not all rewards are immediate!

I don't want a promotion

zagfles

tir21 said:

Undervalued said:

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Presumably, those that exceed expectations are more likely to be considered for promotion when the opportunity arises?

Not all rewards are immediate!

I don't want a promotion

So don't exceed expectations then. Other people at your place might want a promotion. I doubt the system was designed just for you. 

MyRealNameToo

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Do what you want but someone saying that to me wouldnt go down well. 

There are certainly some on low wages who do still put the effort in, some may be gunning for promotion or at least moving to a different area, some its just their nature to try and do a good job at whatever it is they're doing. 

Undervalued said:

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Presumably, those that exceed expectations are more likely to be considered for promotion when the opportunity arises?

Agree it can be a motivation but it can also backfire; remember in my call centre days there was a lass that was fantastic at cross selling and when the deputy team leader job came up hers was the first application in. They immediately declined her, she was more valuable being on the phones doing sales than she was off the phones reviewing other advisor's decisions and authorising payments 

EnPointe

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Undervalued said:

tir21 said:

Work has sent me an appraisal form. We get them every six months. It asks whether I require improvement, meet expectations or exceed expectations.

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Presumably, those that exceed expectations are more likely to be considered for promotion when the opportunity arises?

Agree it can be a motivation but it can also backfire; remember in my call centre days there was a lass that was fantastic at cross selling and when the deputy team leader job came up hers was the first application in. They immediately declined her, she was more valuable being on the phones doing sales than she was off the phones reviewing other advisor's decisions and authorising payments 

 
" Aces in their places "  has a point and value, but not where you  stifle the development of individuals  to solely  to be about service provision.

There is that aspect  and it is also why  sometimes people have difficulty in moving away from  roles which are seen as more coaching / training   than  directly  supervisory or managerial  (  despite the coaching riole being a mandated step and having to demonstrate  abilities to lead the function and direct staff in the absence of Managers  and  also to undertake technical roles  otherwise reserved for Managers )  becasue of their value  as a coach / trainer and in maintaining standards 

tir21

So could I get in any trouble for saying I'm not interested in exceeding expectations?

lincroft1710

tir21 said:

Should I reply that it's a bit rich expecting anyone on the minimum wage to exceed expectations?

Only if you are content to make no further progress within the organisation and are happy that you may have set yourself up to be managed out

Tabieth

tir21 said:

So could I get in any trouble for saying I'm not interested in exceeding expectations?

Do you want to stay on your minimum wage job forever? Would you like to earn more money and move into a more interesting / fulfilling role? No judgement whatsoever if the answers are “no”. (I’m a firm believer in work-to-live, not live-to-work.) But extra money is always nice and we spend so much of our time at work, it helps if it’s interesting and at least reasonable enjoyable.