Solar: Export Octopus 15p Rest 1p /kwhr ? Does the grid want this energy ?

JKenH

ed110220 said:

JKenH said:

Exiled_Tyke said:

JKenH said:

Well, solar panels didn’t add much value to this house. 

Don’t shoot the messenger. I say this as a keen advocate of domestic solar and it is the first time I have heard of solar panels causing a fire - my guess is it would have been the wiring rather than the solar panels. Before anyone piles in about the Telegraph, the connection between solar panels and a serious house fire was made by the fire brigade. 

Yeah but the Telegraph chose to report it and in that way.  

But that is the job of a newspaper. Are you saying they should not have reported it?

Would they have reported it if it was caused by a fridge or a washing machine? Would the fridge or washing machine be in the headline? It's pretty disingenuous to justify this agitation as "just reporting". 

It's also a bit puzzling today what the point is - the energy transition is happening whether one likes it or not. It's an odd hill to choose to die on now. Perhaps there is a romanticism to promoting a lost cause?

It’s only agitation to those who believe the energy transition must go ahead and the risks should not be publicised lest the transition is derailed. 

And yes the Telegraph did quite a lot of reporting on faulty Hotpoint and Indesit washing machines. Hopefully we are all now aware of the potential for a fatal fire should we choose to use our washing machines overnight to save a few pence. Perhaps if the Telegraph had made a fuss about fridge fires  the Grenfell fire might never have happened. 

Here’s another story about a solar panel system fire.

Solar panel malfunction sparks blaze in family home

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/solarpower/12092562/Solar-panel-malfunction-sparks-blaze-in-family-home.html

michaels

So they report or almost every solar panel fire but hardly any fires caused by other sources....

thevilla

Well.  It was a quiet news day.  Try as they might they couldn't find a single EV fire 😁

JKenH

michaels said:

So they report or almost every solar panel fire but hardly any fires caused by other sources....

No, they report on EV and E-Bike fires as well as fires at sub-stations and BESSs. I suppose it depends on what the editors consider newsworthy. The Telegraph do publish some pro EV stories but the readership of the Telegraph, as was pointed out a couple of days ago on this board, are, on the whole, reactionary so why alienate your customer base. It doesn’t mean the stories are untrue, just the balance of reporting is skewed. That’s pretty much how all newspapers operate - except, of course, the ones we choose to read which play it straight down the middle. 

silverwhistle

Such cynicism about The Daily Telegraph: I wonder why?

Although they have the fire brigade's comment to justify the report, the bylines of 'solar panel malfunction' and 'solar panel blaze' have put a different slant on a story that could have said 'new electrical work' or even 'solar installation'. Until more is learnt it could be an installers mistake  or a fault which is not related to the actual panels themselves.

Unfortunately the DT has become a lot more like the tabloids in its reporting, even if the vocabulary is slightly larger..

Exiled_Tyke

JKenH said:

Exiled_Tyke said:

JKenH said:

Well, solar panels didn’t add much value to this house. 

Don’t shoot the messenger. I say this as a keen advocate of domestic solar and it is the first time I have heard of solar panels causing a fire - my guess is it would have been the wiring rather than the solar panels. Before anyone piles in about the Telegraph, the connection between solar panels and a serious house fire was made by the fire brigade. 

Yeah but the Telegraph chose to report it and in that way.  

But that is the job of a newspaper. Are you saying they should not have reported it? Shouldn’t be concealed from the public that a house caught fire a month after having solar panels installed and the fire brigade said that “solar panels were the probable cause”.

When I had an electric car I charged it in my garage. Subsequent reports of EV fires have made me concerned that doing so was a risk to both life and property. The risk may be low but it is better to be aware of it than it be swept under the carpet. 

well that's were we differ. you reckon it's news in the public interest.  I reckon it's unnecessary scaremongering with an agenda behind it.  There can be little doubt that some anti-RE idiots have used this as 'evidence' of the dangers of trying to save the planet. 

paul991

If every  petrol car fire was reported the same way as a EV car fire you  would give them them some slack

michaels

JKenH said:

paul991 said:

If every  petrol car fire was reported the same way as a EV car fire you  would give them them some slack

Maybe it’s because EVs are being forced on the population or, more accurately, the opportunity to buy the alternative is being removed and conservative newspapers push back against freedoms being removed. Or maybe it’s because ICE fires aren’t a novelty anymore more, so hardly worth reporting. They were in the 1900s as this archive material reveals -oops, not the Telegraph but the Daily Mail who led this story.

The ban on public smoking was forced on the public. Would you want that rescinded so non smokers can go back to being forced to be passive smokers?

JKenH

michaels said:

JKenH said:

paul991 said:

If every  petrol car fire was reported the same way as a EV car fire you  would give them them some slack

Maybe it’s because EVs are being forced on the population or, more accurately, the opportunity to buy the alternative is being removed and conservative newspapers push back against freedoms being removed. Or maybe it’s because ICE fires aren’t a novelty anymore more, so hardly worth reporting. They were in the 1900s as this archive material reveals -oops, not the Telegraph but the Daily Mail who led this story.

The ban on public smoking was forced on the public. Would you want that rescinded so non smokers can go back to being forced to be passive smokers?

And the relevance of that question is? Isn’t it what is sometimes referred to as a Strawman argument?

michaels

JKenH said:

michaels said:

JKenH said:

paul991 said:

If every  petrol car fire was reported the same way as a EV car fire you  would give them them some slack

Maybe it’s because EVs are being forced on the population or, more accurately, the opportunity to buy the alternative is being removed and conservative newspapers push back against freedoms being removed. Or maybe it’s because ICE fires aren’t a novelty anymore more, so hardly worth reporting. They were in the 1900s as this archive material reveals -oops, not the Telegraph but the Daily Mail who led this story.

The ban on public smoking was forced on the public. Would you want that rescinded so non smokers can go back to being forced to be passive smokers?

And the relevance of that question is? Isn’t it what is sometimes referred to as a Strawman argument?

In economics it is called an externality. The government removes the rights of some individuals to protect others.  Just like the removal of lead from petrol and emissions legislation with things like cats and dpfs.