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Tax advantages, or not, of a large arrangement fee on a BTL mortgage



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Some figures would help.
The mortgage amount.
The products you are considering.0 -
Do you have an accountant?I am a Mortgage AdviserYou should note that this site doesn't check my status as a mortgage adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.0
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ACG said:Do you have an accountant?
I do, but they are more book keepers than accountants0 -
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If you look at the fees as a % of your borrowing you will see that two of the three fee charged products work out more expensive over the two year period.
3% = 1.5% PY = 3.59% + 1.5% = 5.09%
£3,995= 2.1% = 1.05% PY = 4.14% + 1.05% = 5.15%
£1,495 = 0.79% = 0.40% PY = 4.39% + 0.40% = 4.79%
The £1,495 fee product is mathematically less expensive than the 4.89% no fee rate (assuming you do not add the fee and incur interest on it) - but not enough to make it worthwhile.
The other rates (if you add the fee) give you a cash flow advantage, but will cost more overall.
As regard taxation benefits of paying a fee, that is a question for your Accountant.I am a Mortgage Broker
You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Broker, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.0 -
Yep, I get that. So what I need to know is should I add the arrangement fee to the borrowings, would that fee be 100% allowable against my tax bill which if I can would be far more tax efficient to go for the most expensive arrangement fee0
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pinchmyself said:Yep, I get that. So what I need to know is should I add the arrangement fee to the borrowings, would that fee be 100% allowable against my tax bill which if I can would be far more tax efficient to go for the most expensive arrangement feeI'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.0
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So I have just received a reply from my accountant. Apparently even if I add the arrangement fee to the current loan, it is still allowable along with the interest payments on the loan
"The mortgage arrangement fee is an allowable cost against your rental income along with the interest charges.
The tax relief on this fee is therefore restricted to the basic rate of income tax as has been the case for several years now "
So surely it is a no brainer to take the largest arrangement fee which will give me the lowest monthly payment as not only is the fee allowable, even if I add it to the current loan as not only will give me a fixed reduction on those monthly and at 3%, given I only have a LTV at around 37% currently, with the capital growth of the property I will still be in front say at the 3 year fixed deal ?
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It’s allowable if you pay it. If you don’t pay it but add it to the loan, then the interest on it is allowable as that is what you will be paying.
Paying it will impact your cash flow.I'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.0 -
silvercar said:It’s allowable if you pay it. If you don’t pay it but add it to the loan, then the interest on it is allowable as that is what you will be paying.
Paying it will impact your cash flow.
You will get a 20% allowance on your tax for the fee, even if you add it to your mortgage loan.
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