Toil question

monaymadlol

Hi

I work 4 days a week, under the 37.5 hours full time week.

My employer pro ratas the annual leave and also pro ratas the bank holiday. 

I don't work any bank holidays but it has to be taken out from the total pro rata annual leave/bank holiday hours.

A couple of the bank holidays fall on my scheduled day off (fixed day every week) - so they are bank holidays and also my day off.

I thought I would get TOIL hours for these two days as although it's my day off, it is also a bank holiday. They say not as not fully time and everything is prorata. Are they correct?

Thanks 

EnPointe

what are your  contracted hours ?   is is a  simple 0.8  FTE  / 30 hours  arrangement 

what is your overall  annual leave ? statutory ( 4 weeks of your contracted hours)  + Bank holidays ( 1.6 weeks of your contracted hours) + any extra leave within  your contract  + any  service related leave or legacy  contract leave 

are you covered by a Collective Bargaining arrangement ? 

are you a member of a Trades Union ?

monaymadlol

EnPointe said:

what are your  contracted hours ?   is is a  simple 0.8  FTE  / 30 hours  arrangement 

what is your overall  annual leave ? statutory ( 4 weeks of your contracted hours)  + Bank holidays ( 1.6 weeks of your contracted hours) + any extra leave within  your contract  + any  service related leave or legacy  contract leave 

are you covered by a Collective Bargaining arrangement ? 

are you a member of a Trades Union ?

0.85
Usual ft allowance is 27 days + 8 BH = 262.5

I get 224 rounded up

Yes part of a professional union 

No idea on collective bargaining 

Savvy_Sue

monaymadlol said:

Hi

I work 4 days a week, under the 37.5 hours full time week.

My employer pro ratas the annual leave and also pro ratas the bank holiday. 

I don't work any bank holidays but it has to be taken out from the total pro rata annual leave/bank holiday hours.

A couple of the bank holidays fall on my scheduled day off (fixed day every week) - so they are bank holidays and also my day off.

I thought I would get TOIL hours for these two days as although it's my day off, it is also a bank holiday. They say not as not fully time and everything is prorata. Are they correct?

Thanks 

Forget about any distinction between bank holiday leave and 'normal' leave. Any days on which you would normally work but do not do so need to be booked as leave and deducted from the total.

If you normally work on a Monday, you'll have less choice about which days you book as leave than someone who works the same no. of hours each week but doesn't work eg on Tuesdays. But you will each still get the same no. of hours in annual leave. 

Some employers will be happy for you to work on a different day in a BH week, if you feel particularly aggrieved by the lack of choice. 

monaymadlol

Thanks I'm not aggrieved at having had to have bank holidays off.

But more that I assumed that any bank holiday that fell on my day off (Fri) would mean that I get an additional 8 hours leave that as lieu.

prowla

I don't see why you would get time of for not working on your day off.

Hoenir

monaymadlol said:

Thanks I'm not aggrieved at having had to have bank holidays off.

But more that I assumed that any bank holiday that fell on my day off (Fri) would mean that I get an additional 8 hours leave that as lieu.

Many part time workers opt not to work Monday's so as not to lose out. 

General_Grant

monaymadlol said:

Hi

I work 4 days a week, under the 37.5 hours full time week.

My employer pro ratas the annual leave and also pro ratas the bank holiday. 

I don't work any bank holidays but it has to be taken out from the total pro rata annual leave/bank holiday hours.

A couple of the bank holidays fall on my scheduled day off (fixed day every week) - so they are bank holidays and also my day off.

I thought I would get TOIL hours for these two days as although it's my day off, it is also a bank holiday. They say not as not fully time and everything is prorata. Are they correct?

Thanks 

monaymadlol said:

EnPointe said:

what are your  contracted hours ?   is is a  simple 0.8  FTE  / 30 hours  arrangement 

what is your overall  annual leave ? statutory ( 4 weeks of your contracted hours)  + Bank holidays ( 1.6 weeks of your contracted hours) + any extra leave within  your contract  + any  service related leave or legacy  contract leave 

are you covered by a Collective Bargaining arrangement ? 

are you a member of a Trades Union ?

0.85
Usual ft allowance is 27 days + 8 BH = 262.5

I get 224 rounded up

Yes part of a professional union 

No idea on collective bargaining 

You are not due TOIL for the bank holidays when you would not have been working.

As you say you are working 85% of a full-time week, you must be working slightly longer days that a full-time person.

Because the full-timers' holiday entitlement has been converted into hours after adding the bank holidays and other leave together, your holiday entitlement has been calculated in hours too using that 85%.

So, as long as you take all the 224 hours from the days when you would otherwise have worked, you are getting your full entitlement and there is no time to be taken off in lieu of bank holidays if you would not have worked them in any case.  

Hopeful0324

monaymadlol said:

Hi

I work 4 days a week, under the 37.5 hours full time week.

My employer pro ratas the annual leave and also pro ratas the bank holiday. 

I don't work any bank holidays but it has to be taken out from the total pro rata annual leave/bank holiday hours.

A couple of the bank holidays fall on my scheduled day off (fixed day every week) - so they are bank holidays and also my day off.

I thought I would get TOIL hours for these two days as although it's my day off, it is also a bank holiday. They say not as not fully time and everything is prorata. Are they correct?

Thanks 

Hi, I am in the same position - I work 4 days - Mon-Thurs. My annual leave entitlement is also calculated pro rata and separated into Bank Holiday and Annual Leave hours. If a Bank Holiday falls on my working day and I don't then work that day (eg a BH Monday) I have to deduct the hours I would have worked on that Monday from my BH allowance. If the BH falls on a Friday (Good Friday and sometimes Christmas/New Year's Day), because it is my non-working day I would not then need to deduct any hours from my BH allowance. If I were to work a BH that is on a Friday, my non-working day, I would then accrue these hours as TOIL. 

sheramber

monaymadlol said:

Thanks I'm not aggrieved at having had to have bank holidays off.

But more that I assumed that any bank holiday that fell on my day off (Fri) would mean that I get an additional 8 hours leave that as lieu.

What you get is no deduction from your bank holidqya hours because you are not due to work that day.

If you were to get TOIL you would need to deduct the hours from your bank holiday hours,

You cannot keep the bank holiday hours and get TOIL. that would be double dibs for the one day.