Electric Car buyers Beware !!!!!!!

NigeWick

ilsonchew said:

I swapped my self charging hybrid Honda for a fully electric ENY-1 model in a PCP contract and since July last year to February this year the £42000 car I drove out of Honda with has lost £19500 in value and I assume will lose considerably more up until the end of my three year PCP. 
I am aware that new cars devalue but this is a little extreme to have lost nearly half it`s value in six months and with only 1600 miles on the clock. 
Anybody else thinking of doing this to go electric I would advise DO NOT BOTHER.

I'm on my fifth BEV and well pleased. Don't all new cars lose a load of "value" as soon as you drive them off the forecourt?

What's a self charging hybrid, doesn't it run on fossil fuel? If you're talking about regenerative breaking that would make BEV's self charging battery electric vehicles.

Reed_Richards

Martyn1981 said:

I think Toyota came up with the term, renaming their HEV's (alongside 'electrified' to help confuse one and all). The term is still allowed in the UK, but many other countries banned it for marketing purposes, as it's very misleading. 

I bought a Toyota Yaris Hybrid in 2014.  Back then it was just a hybrid because plug-in hybrids were uncommon, much more so than hybrids, which were rare enough.  It lasted me until 2024 but the mileage was never spectacular.

These days you get the execrable "mild hybrid" with no extra battery and very little in the way of features.  It doesn't deserve to be called a hybrid at all - but vendors hope you won't notice.  

Magnitio

@ilsonchew What a ridiculous post. You use your limited experience of one car to warn everyone not to buy an EV. You bought a very average car (it's irrelevant that it is an EV) and quote depreciation against the list price. You could have received a discount of at least £10k against the list price of this car. If you had bought a decent EV, the depreciation would have been a lot less. Also, depreciation rates are not linear and you will find that it will not have reduced significantly in another year's time.

Spies

Exiled_Tyke said:

QrizB said:

saajan_12 said:

EricMears said:

What's a self-charging hybrid ?  Does it drive itself to a charger and connect automatically ?  

Ha! Indeed something I've always wondered. If its charging the <electric part> with the <petrol part> then surely all the energy to propel the thing is originally from fossil fuels burnt IN the car. At most its changing the timing of when the fossil fuels are burned. But there's no partial renewable energy from the grid, or more efficient electricity generation going on as is implied by a (partly / hybrid) electric car. 

The main benefit with a "self-charging hybrid" is regenerative braking. You capture a lot of the energy that would otherwise be lost as heat.
Apart from that, they're mostly a way for recalcitrant ICE manufacturers to carry on selling fossil fuel cars.

I have to disagree I'm afraid.  ICEs have a very tight efficiency band. i.e. if they are not operating at their peak power output they are wasting a lot of energy.  The hybrid attempts to keep the engine working at its most efficient as much as possible.   If operating at this level produces more energy than the car needs the excess is put into the battery.  If there is not enough power for the cars needs at the maximum efficiency level  then the ICE is supplemented with battery power.  Put a hybrid on a motorway (where there should be very little braking) and it will still outperform a standard ICE in terms of efficiency.  Regen tends not to be as strong as a full BEV - presumably because the smaller battery can't be charged at the same rate so it's more likely that traditional brake will be needed but is still a very important factor.  I think most car manufacturers and articles on the web don't explain this as it's too complicated and I guess many readers aren't interested in such a level of detail.  This article explains it. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666691X22000446 and I've extracted this helpful quote. 

"In summary, it can be stated that a purely internal combustion engine powertrain will not achieve future fleet limit values at all, because the efficiencies required for this are practically or better physically unattainable, as they are too close to the theoretical maximum. By combining the internal combustion engine with a hybrid powertrain, a considerable part of the necessary efficiency increase can be taken over by the hybrid powertrain in order to achieve future fleet limits..."

I had a Nissan Qashqai e-power whilst my BEV was in for some warranty work and the Qashqai is utter trash, it uses the petrol engine as a generator but didn't get any better MPG than a fully ICE Qashqai, not to mention additional losses going from Petrol -> AC/DC Inverter then to the battery/drivetrain.

Oscarmax

ilsonchew said:

I swapped my self charging hybrid Honda for a fully electric ENY-1 model in a PCP contract and since July last year to February this year the £42000 car I drove out of Honda with has lost £19500 in value and I assume will lose considerably more up until the end of my three year PCP. 
I am aware that new cars devalue but this is a little extreme to have lost nearly half it`s value in six months and with only 1600 miles on the clock. 
Anybody else thinking of doing this to go electric I would advise DO NOT BOTHER.

This sounds like this muppet is winding you all up it is the poster one and only post they haven't even bothered to reply, secondly 1600 miles in 7 months why have they bothered to even lease a vehicle.

silverwhistle

That's odd, my post on this thread seems to have been removed. I would say it was accurate, the poster has still only one post on MSE, and it was not gratuitously denigratory.

Officer_Dibble

QrizB said:

Mrs QrizB recently bought a three-year-old VW e-UP! for about £10k. She's planning to keep it for the next decade or so.

I like the sound of the e-UP! Proper reet good Northern car.

Martyn1981

Officer_Dibble said:

QrizB said:

Mrs QrizB recently bought a three-year-old VW e-UP! for about £10k. She's planning to keep it for the next decade or so.

I like the sound of the e-UP! Proper reet good Northern car.

I think the recently announced VW ID1 is to be the long awaited replacement for the E-Up! (potentially 2027). I'm only a little skeptical because VW has a habit of announcing their upcoming cheap model, every year or so, but fingers crossed.

Reed_Richards

Officer_Dibble said:

QrizB said:

Mrs QrizB recently bought a three-year-old VW e-UP! for about £10k. She's planning to keep it for the next decade or so.

I like the sound of the e-UP! Proper reet good Northern car.

"e-UP! mi duck" is the traditional greeting in my home town of Nottingham - not so northern.  

EricMears

Reed_Richards said:

Officer_Dibble said:

QrizB said:

Mrs QrizB recently bought a three-year-old VW e-UP! for about £10k. She's planning to keep it for the next decade or so.

I like the sound of the e-UP! Proper reet good Northern car.

"e-UP! mi duck" is the traditional greeting in my home town of Nottingham - not so northern.  

I thought it was "Ay-up" in Notts & "EE-bai gum" in Yorks