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New Limited Company - what benefits can I utilise?
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terryhouse
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Hi, I recently set up a family limited company to buy property and rent it out. As it's coming to the end of my first tax year and we have regular rental money coming in now, what can I utilise this year before I lose the benefit?
So I'm charging the company interest on the Director's loan my husband and I put in. The loans so far are £125,000 and I'm thinking of charging 5% interest.
I've not claimed my expenses and mileage yet for this year which is about £1,600. Should I claim this year
Should my husband and I take a dividend for this year?
My three kids are shareholders, should they get a dividend?
Anything else I can claim? My accountant isn't very forth coming with advice, they seem more interested in double book keeping than advising me on the most efficient way to do things. Or am I not being realistic?
So I'm charging the company interest on the Director's loan my husband and I put in. The loans so far are £125,000 and I'm thinking of charging 5% interest.
I've not claimed my expenses and mileage yet for this year which is about £1,600. Should I claim this year
Should my husband and I take a dividend for this year?
My three kids are shareholders, should they get a dividend?
Anything else I can claim? My accountant isn't very forth coming with advice, they seem more interested in double book keeping than advising me on the most efficient way to do things. Or am I not being realistic?
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terryhouse said:Hi, I recently set up a family limited company to buy property and rent it out. As it's coming to the end of my first tax year and we have regular rental money coming in now, what can I utilise this year before I lose the benefit?
So I'm charging the company interest on the Director's loan my husband and I put in. The loans so far are £125,000 and I'm thinking of charging 5% interest.terryhouse said:I've not claimed my expenses and mileage yet for this year which is about £1,600. Should I claim this yearterryhouse said:Should my husband and I take a dividend for this year?
My three kids are shareholders, should they get a dividend?terryhouse said:Anything else I can claim?terryhouse said:My accountant isn't very forth coming with advice, they seem more interested in double book keeping than advising me on the most efficient way to do things. Or am I not being realistic?
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terryhouse said:Hi, I recently set up a family limited company to buy property and rent it out. As it's coming to the end of my first tax year and we have regular rental money coming in now, what can I utilise this year before I lose the benefit?
So I'm charging the company interest on the Director's loan my husband and I put in. The loans so far are £125,000 and I'm thinking of charging 5% interest.
I've not claimed my expenses and mileage yet for this year which is about £1,600. Should I claim this year
Should my husband and I take a dividend for this year?
My three kids are shareholders, should they get a dividend?
Anything else I can claim? My accountant isn't very forth coming with advice, they seem more interested in double book keeping than advising me on the most efficient way to do things. Or am I not being realistic?0 -
Thanks for your input.
I'll try and answer where I can.
Yes my accountant said that I would have to pay tax on the interest each year, even though I will not draw down on it till later on.
Yes all of those expenses are legitimate. 2.5k of mileage at 45p a mile and some things I had to pay cash for, i.e. freezer from gumtree, etc that I couldn't use the business account for or before we got the business account set up.
The kids have 10% each in class A, B and C share. My husband and I have 35% each. I don't mind everyone getting a different amount of dividend as long as it's the most efficient way to take it out.
Yes I know I'm getting maximising profit and extraction confused. We set the company up to build a future for our kids and an income for when we retire. So not sure which way to do things for the better.
The accountant engagement letter is for submission of accounts, etc. He did say any additional chargeable piece of work will be discussed beforehand so I suppose I'm picking his brains/company brains on the cheap. My queries do cross over tax planning, inheritance, etc so I probably want more than I am paying for to be fair.
I have no idea how I am taking income. The company is additional to our day jobs, so dont need an income as such for now. We are happy to plough the money back into the company for future properties, but want to utilise tax efficient extraction each year. So if we can take a dividend this year if that's a good thing to do.0 -
terryhouse said:
So I'm charging the company interest on the Director's loan my husband and I put in. The loans so far are £125,000 and I'm thinking of charging 5% interest.0 -
Yes my accountant told me about this. Is it better to not charge the interest and leave it as profit in the company and take the 19% corporation tax hit instead? But then would I be taxed at my 40% rate as it would be additional income? I liked the interest charge route so I could draw down when I needed to cash.Yes my accountant told me about this. Is it better to not charge the interest and leave it as profit in the company and take the 19% corporation tax hit instead? But then would I be taxed at my 40% rate as it would be additional income? I liked the interest charge route so I could draw down when I needed to cash.
Yes my accountant told me about this. Is it better to not charge the interest and leave it as profit in the company and take the 19% corporation tax hit instead? But then would I be taxed at my 40% rate as it would be additional income? I liked the interest charge route so I could draw down when I needed to cash.0 -
terryhouse said:Yes my accountant told me about this. Is it better to not charge the interest and leave it as profit in the company and take the 19% corporation tax hit instead? But then would I be taxed at my 40% rate as it would be additional income? I liked the interest charge route so I could draw down when I needed to cash.Yes my accountant told me about this. Is it better to not charge the interest and leave it as profit in the company and take the 19% corporation tax hit instead? But then would I be taxed at my 40% rate as it would be additional income? I liked the interest charge route so I could draw down when I needed to cash.
Yes my accountant told me about this. Is it better to not charge the interest and leave it as profit in the company and take the 19% corporation tax hit instead? But then would I be taxed at my 40% rate as it would be additional income? I liked the interest charge route so I could draw down when I needed to cash.0 -
Seems your Accountant has explained your options. Choice is yours.0
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terryhouse said:
I have no idea how I am taking income. The company is additional to our day jobs, so dont need an income as such for now. We are happy to plough the money back into the company for future properties, but want to utilise tax efficient extraction each year. So if we can take a dividend this year if that's a good thing to do.
decide if NEED extra income ?
if you do not then, as you are looking to the future, let the company pay into pension pots for you and the wife. Gets full corporation tax relief and obviously has no personal tax
there are many other things you could do but without a full and frank disclosure of your personal finances on here the best you can do now would be to pay your accountant for extra advice.1 -
Nomunnofun1 said:You definitely need more assistance from your accountant. As I said earlier, unless you have an income against which to claim your expenses they can’t be claimed. Dividends are not income in this regard.
Consider it as a start up:
On day one the company has to pay for printing some flyers. This is a genuine business expense.
On day two the company drives around to deliver the flyers to targeted potential customers. This mileage is a genuine business expense.
On day three the company attends a meeting to present their capabilities to potential customer one. This mileage is a genuine business expense.
On day four the company attends a seminar to promote the business by having a stand in the foyer. This is a genuine business expense.
On day five, the company presents an offer to potential customer one and secures a first order. This mileage is a genuine business expense.
So, at the end of one week, the company has a loss on the balance sheet but relies on the first order to recover that position.
Obviously, real world timescales and events are much more complex, but the principal that the Ltd Co. can incur expenses against no income still stands.
I do agree, though, that the OP needs far more and complete advice from their Accountant, especially as a complex company structure has been created with the use of "alphabet shares" which are typically frowned upon by HMRC when there is no reason for such complexity other than minimising taxation liabilities.
It is not clear how old the children are (but described as "kids" so I assume still at school). Any dividends paid to the children are the children's and cannot be influenced in how they are spent by the parents. It can create difficulties later on when the children have a dividend income and shareholding assets yet may have limited employment income.
The parents can't simply change the rules on the alphabet shares - this 30% of the business is now owned by the children and can't be simply taken back.
Interest on loans from Shareholders / Directors usually has to be set at a rate that is comparable to market rate borrowing.1 -
Grumpy_chap said:Nomunnofun1 said:You definitely need more assistance from your accountant. As I said earlier, unless you have an income against which to claim your expenses they can’t be claimed. Dividends are not income in this regard.
Consider it as a start up:
On day one the company has to pay for printing some flyers. This is a genuine business expense.
On day two the company drives around to deliver the flyers to targeted potential customers. This mileage is a genuine business expense.
On day three the company attends a meeting to present their capabilities to potential customer one. This mileage is a genuine business expense.
On day four the company attends a seminar to promote the business by having a stand in the foyer. This is a genuine business expense.
On day five, the company presents an offer to potential customer one and secures a first order. This mileage is a genuine business expense.
So, at the end of one week, the company has a loss on the balance sheet but relies on the first order to recover that position.
Obviously, real world timescales and events are much more complex, but the principal that the Ltd Co. can incur expenses against no income still stands.Can’t argue with any of your points!1
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