NHS half pay plus stat sick?

V3cash

I’ve seen old threads on this but nothing post 2020
I was wondering if anyone has recently received nhs half pay and if that included ssp or if it was added on top of pay.
I’m currently disputing my rekonable sickness allowance as I worked for NHS since 2006 but in last couple of years I have gone back to university and completed my adult nurse degree so I have had a break in service of sorts. I also worked on nhs bank nearly all the way through my training but that doesn’t seem to count, it looks like my sick allowance has gone right back to the start.Its sad 😢 
I’ve had a terrible year so far with a frozen shoulder and recently had bereavement with another close relative on end of life care now.
i suppose because I have never taken 2 periods of sick in a year before I didn’t know they took that off allowance.

Undervalued

At what point did your sick pay drop to half? Six months? Excluding SSP any other company sick pay is entirely a contractual matter. At one time, six months full pay, followed by six months half pay, was common in the public sector. More recent contracts may well offer far less.

Remember SSP (c. £100 per week) is only payable for 26 (28??) weeks. After that, if still off sick you have to claim ESA (or whatever it is now called).

BrilliantButScary

Perhaps the following might help with your query:

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Get-Help/RCN-advice/agenda-for-change

It would also be worth checking your trust's sickness absence policy, which you should have received a copy of on appointment, or it will be on the trusts's intranet.

Give the RCN a ring, if you're not clear on things, hopefully you are in a union.

Were you seconded to do your nurse training?

V3cash

Yes I’m in a union, I learned the hard way when I had a grievance and wasn’t in one.
I think that this is due to a break in service. Hr have told me that my bank doesn’t count and neither does my adult nurse training.
the union advised me that bank doesn’t count and its employer’s discretion if they count training.
my training was 2 years long too.
I have to admit I had no clue about this as I might have not done the training, however it’s done now so I will learn a valuable lesson and not take anymore breaks or i could use this opportunity and work outside nhs as I no longer have such good sick leave.
my pay basically went to half on first day of sick.
i have had 2 months off sick in previous employment but this was within the last 12 months.

V3cash

BrilliantButScary said:

Perhaps the following might help with your query:

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Get-Help/RCN-advice/agenda-for-change

It would also be worth checking your trust's sickness absence policy, which you should have received a copy of on appointment, or it will be on the trusts's intranet.

Give the RCN a ring, if you're not clear on things, hopefully you are in a union.

Were you seconded to do your nurse training?

Unfortunately I was not seconded,I literally paid for the privilege! 
I would still have my sickness allowance if I had I know but unfortunately there were no apprenticeships or secondments available.

TELLIT01

When it drops to half pay SSP is generally included in the payment.  There's no hard and fast rule.

V3cash

TELLIT01 said:

When it drops to half pay SSP is generally included in the payment.  There's no hard and fast rule.

Thanks, I’ll budget for that and if it’s added it will be a bonus 

EnPointe

V3cash said:

I’ve seen old threads on this but nothing post 2020
I was wondering if anyone has recently received nhs half pay and if that included ssp or if it was added on top of pay.
I’m currently disputing my rekonable sickness allowance as I worked for NHS since 2006 but in last couple of years I have gone back to university and completed my adult nurse degree so I have had a break in service of sorts. I also worked on nhs bank nearly all the way through my training but that doesn’t seem to count, it looks like my sick allowance has gone right back to the start.Its sad 😢 
I’ve had a terrible year so far with a frozen shoulder and recently had bereavement with another close relative on end of life care now.
i suppose because I have never taken 2 periods of sick in a year before I didn’t know they took that off allowance.

break in service counts for sick pay  and  incremental points  i.e. if you leave for more than 6 months or a year   the default is to reset  to new starter position 

break in service doesn't count for annual leave ( previous reckjonable service if evidenced  e.g. past payslips or  Pension  statement   means you go back the relevant level of annual leave )  pension is a bit more complex  esp with the various versions 

EnPointe

Undervalued said:

At what point did your sick pay drop to half? Six months? Excluding SSP any other company sick pay is entirely a contractual matter. At one time, six months full pay, followed by six months half pay, was common in the public sector. More recent contracts may well offer far less.

Remember SSP (c. £100 per week) is only payable for 26 (28??) weeks. After that, if still off sick you have to claim ESA (or whatever it is now called).

NHS  AfC  with 5 years continuous service is 6 + 6   

https://www.rcn.org.uk/Get-Help/RCN-advice/agenda-for-change

chrisbur

TELLIT01 said:

When it drops to half pay SSP is generally included in the payment.  There's no hard and fast rule.

The following is from....
https://www.nhsemployers.org/publications/tchandbook


14.6 Full pay needs to be inclusive of any statutory benefits (so as not to make sick pay greater than normal working pay). The combined addition of statutory sick pay to half pay must not exceed full pay.

V3cash

chrisbur said:

TELLIT01 said:

When it drops to half pay SSP is generally included in the payment.  There's no hard and fast rule.

The following is from....
https://www.nhsemployers.org/publications/tchandbook


14.6 Full pay needs to be inclusive of any statutory benefits (so as not to make sick pay greater than normal working pay). The combined addition of statutory sick pay to half pay must not exceed full pay.

That seems to imply it would be added to it not included?