Please help me figure out annual leave

Bm1937

Hi 

I’ve interviewed for a job recently that I’m really keen on. The only downside is the annual leave confusion.

this is a night job in veterinary. The pattern is 5 on 9 off (5 on is Monday- Friday). 14hr shifts with sleep time allowed. The job is salaried.

i was told in interview there is no annual leave due to 9 days off I have. However on another interview for the same type of job but different company I was told annual leave cannot be taken but is paid as an extra in your monthly pay.

so I’m essentially working 60 hours on my 5 days of nights. It works out at most months working 10 nights per month. Can someone tell me please what holiday entitlement I’m allowed as I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to not be given annual leave or a supplement in your wage.

id like to know how many days/hours I’m allowed and also how to calculate this to find out the supplement pay.

thank you 

Bm1937

Hi 

I’ve interviewed for a job recently that I’m really keen on. The only downside is the annual leave confusion.

this is a night job in veterinary. The pattern is 5 on 9 off (5 on is Monday- Friday). 14hr shifts with sleep time allowed. The job is salaried.

i was told in interview there is no annual leave due to 9 days off I have. However on another interview for the same type of job but different company I was told annual leave cannot be taken but is paid as an extra in your monthly pay.

so I’m essentially working 60 hours on my 5 days of nights. It works out at most months working 10 nights per month. Can someone tell me please what holiday entitlement I’m allowed as I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to not be given annual leave or a supplement in your wage.

id like to know how many days/hours I’m allowed and also how to calculate this to find out the supplement pay.

thank you 

RedFraggle

Have asked the admin team to move to the correct board

Mark_d

Working 5 on and 9 off gives you plenty of time when you're not working.  If you calculate your hourly wage you're far above minimum wage.  It's up to you whether you see you non-working days as annual leave or not.  Likewise you can view the salary supplement as already included in your wages.

Flugelhorn

In these sort of things there is usually a 12.05% (?) supplement in pay for annual leave - they should make it clear that this is included in the salary.
I have had a couple of sessional jobs where it was assumed that A/L could be taken when I wasn't working - but union pointed out that it still had to have A/L pay and hence back pay was paid and amount changed going forward

ian1246

Your working 1820 hours a year (5 shifts x 14hrs = 70hours in a 14 day cycle - so a 2 week cycle. 52 weeks a year / 2 week-cycle = 26 cycles a year * 70hours per cycle = 1820hours a year).

A normal 40hour a week job would be 2080 hrs - so 2080 minus 1820 = 260hours difference, which at 8hrs per shift (if it was a 5 day a week job, 40hrs a week) would be the equivalent to 32.5days off.

The question is what is the actual maths behind the salary - how many hours a year are you paid for? If it's 2080 then that would mean Annual Leave is included, if it's only 1820 hours then that would mean it's not & you should get Annual Leave on top.

At least, that's my understanding.

If you dont know those details, then it would be best to either ask or alternatively take your salaried pay & divide it by 2080 - at least then you'd have an equivalent hourly rate to compare to other jobs!

Personally provided the pays comparable or better to other similar jobs it sounds like a pretty decent work-life balance!!

silvercar

I’ll move this to the employment board.

Flugelhorn

@silvercar this is a duplicate thread, there was already one in the employment board 

General_Grant

Bm1937 said:

Hi 

I’ve interviewed for a job recently that I’m really keen on. The only downside is the annual leave confusion.

this is a night job in veterinary. The pattern is 5 on 9 off (5 on is Monday- Friday). 14hr shifts with sleep time allowed. The job is salaried.

i was told in interview there is no annual leave due to 9 days off I have. However on another interview for the same type of job but different company I was told annual leave cannot be taken but is paid as an extra in your monthly pay.

so I’m essentially working 60 hours on my 5 days of nights. It works out at most months working 10 nights per month. Can someone tell me please what holiday entitlement I’m allowed as I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to not be given annual leave or a supplement in your wage.

id like to know how many days/hours I’m allowed and also how to calculate this to find out the supplement pay.

thank you 

So you are effectively working half a full-time position and therefore that would mean you should be entitled to half of a full-time person's paid leave.  Statutory leave entitlement for someone working 5 or more days a week is 28 days (5.6 weeks).  You should therefore be entitled to 14 days leave.  

However, an employer can stipulate when those days are taken.  This employer is saying they are in the weeks you are not working.  That, of course, makes it impossible to take holidays away lasting more than 9 days (first Saturday to second Sunday).

Undervalued

General_Grant said:

Bm1937 said:

Hi 

I’ve interviewed for a job recently that I’m really keen on. The only downside is the annual leave confusion.

this is a night job in veterinary. The pattern is 5 on 9 off (5 on is Monday- Friday). 14hr shifts with sleep time allowed. The job is salaried.

i was told in interview there is no annual leave due to 9 days off I have. However on another interview for the same type of job but different company I was told annual leave cannot be taken but is paid as an extra in your monthly pay.

so I’m essentially working 60 hours on my 5 days of nights. It works out at most months working 10 nights per month. Can someone tell me please what holiday entitlement I’m allowed as I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to not be given annual leave or a supplement in your wage.

id like to know how many days/hours I’m allowed and also how to calculate this to find out the supplement pay.

thank you 

So you are effectively working half a full-time position and therefore that would mean you should be entitled to half of a full-time person's paid leave.  Statutory leave entitlement for someone working 5 or more days a week is 28 days (5.6 weeks).  You should therefore be entitled to 14 days leave.  

However, an employer can stipulate when those days are taken.  This employer is saying they are in the weeks you are not working.  That, of course, makes it impossible to take holidays away lasting more than 9 days (first Saturday to second Sunday).

Which is perfectly lawful.

Although unusual now, in the past some firms simply closed for staff holidays and allowed no flexibility at all.

General_Grant

Undervalued said:

General_Grant said:

Bm1937 said:

Hi 

I’ve interviewed for a job recently that I’m really keen on. The only downside is the annual leave confusion.

this is a night job in veterinary. The pattern is 5 on 9 off (5 on is Monday- Friday). 14hr shifts with sleep time allowed. The job is salaried.

i was told in interview there is no annual leave due to 9 days off I have. However on another interview for the same type of job but different company I was told annual leave cannot be taken but is paid as an extra in your monthly pay.

so I’m essentially working 60 hours on my 5 days of nights. It works out at most months working 10 nights per month. Can someone tell me please what holiday entitlement I’m allowed as I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to not be given annual leave or a supplement in your wage.

id like to know how many days/hours I’m allowed and also how to calculate this to find out the supplement pay.

thank you 

So you are effectively working half a full-time position and therefore that would mean you should be entitled to half of a full-time person's paid leave.  Statutory leave entitlement for someone working 5 or more days a week is 28 days (5.6 weeks).  You should therefore be entitled to 14 days leave.  

However, an employer can stipulate when those days are taken.  This employer is saying they are in the weeks you are not working.  That, of course, makes it impossible to take holidays away lasting more than 9 days (first Saturday to second Sunday).

Which is perfectly lawful.

Although unusual now, in the past some firms simply closed for staff holidays and allowed no flexibility at all.

To be clear - I wasn't suggesting that it wasn't lawful.  I was simply pointing out the situation of not being able to have a longer holiday.  
To take a longer holiday they would need to get approval for an unpaid break which, in turn, would reduce the actual paid holiday entitlement.