Have we ever been in a worse car buying era I don't know where to turn next.

Mildly_Miffed

henry24 said:

The electric jcb is a very small machine at 1.9 tonnes with a 5 hour working time so totally useless for any decent work 

Surely one of the most common sizes of digger in the country?

Plenty big enough for most domestic jobs short of digging footings, so builders everywhere tow them around behind Transits/pickups etc - with a trailer, within 3.5t, so no need for a 7.5t+ flatbed to deliver them to site.

5hr of use in a working day is plenty for most domestic jobs - where the guy on the digger will be doing other stuff a lot of the time.

henry24

Might be a common size but it's the 10 ton plus that moves the goods and to work all day 

booneruk

We seem to be going around in a circle in this thread now

I always find it amusing that not everyone sees the massive sense in weaning ourselves off fossil fuels (a finite resource) and onto the complete utilisation of electricity (where possible) that will eventually be almost completely met by renewable sources. I mean, what's not to like about that? I ignore the 'outrage' that it's all a scam (who's profiting?) and firmly believe it's for the greater good of the nation and its future security. If some of my taxes have to go to this over the next 20years then fine.

Some people just don't like change, and they'll whine about being 'forced' into things when in reality they're absolutely not. They're happy to be 'forced' to wear clothes when outside and use seat belts etc. Why the outrage? This feels similar to the bleating when incandescent bulbs were banned.

You're welcome to continue to buy second hand ICE cars post 2035 and burn fossil fuels in them - you might just find yourself having trouble with that approach in 20 years time. If you're not going to last until then, then sit back and relax - your heart rate will thank you for the reduction in stress.

edit - I didn't touch on the difficulty of the transition - yes, we will face challenges but I prefer to be optimistic rather than defeatist

subjecttocontract

Some people just can't accept that others hold a different opinion to them & they find it completely unacceptable that others disagree with their position. Fortunately we have freedoms to hold and express different views. Whilst I may disagree with many on this forum I respect their right to hold their view. I don't even mind if they find it amusing provided they respect my right to hold my view.

Mildly_Miffed

subjecttocontract said:

Some people just can't accept that others hold a different opinion to them & they find it completely unacceptable that others disagree with their position. Fortunately we have freedoms to hold and express different views. Whilst I may disagree with many on this forum I respect their right to hold their view. I don't even mind if they find it amusing provided they respect my right to hold my view.

Except it's not just an "opinion" - it's outright refusal to accept overwhelming scientific consensus on the biggest existential threat to mankind and the planet for many millennia.

It's like demanding people respect your right to believe the world is flat, or vaccines are bad, or September 11th was an inside job.
Very like it, in fact, because these are things that tend to travel in packs...

Car_54

booneruk said:

We seem to be going around in a circle in this thread now

Just like every other thread about EVs ...

Bonniepurple

I’m not ready for an EV as yet. I’m disabled, so I worry about range and being stuck.  If push comes to shove and I run out of petrol I can hobble/send my daughters for fuel.  I can’t do that with an EV.  My brother was looking at getting an EV, but the house he’s buying doesn’t have off street parking.  Yes, street lights could be used, but that would involve cables across the street or channels cut into the pavement-which would cause problems for wheelchair users.  They’d also be issues as to who pays - individual, council-and therefore tax payers-or a sponsorship deal?

For me, EVs are currently too expensive and the infrastructure isn’t there yet.  In another 5 years it hopefully will be-but then, what will replace fuel duty?  I also remain unconvinced that EVs are the panacea that we’re being told they are.  Sure, they produce fewer emissions at the tailpipe than ICE.  What about the rest of the environmental impact, including the mining for the battery minerals?  

Ultimately, we’re all going to have to change from thinking “car first” to “car last”.  I might not be able to walk very far,  but I could use my power chair or cycle (electric bike) instead of jumping in the car-however those also involve rechargeable batteries which have an environmental impact…

Mildly_Miffed

Bonniepurple said:

If push comes to shove and I run out of petrol I can hobble/send my daughters for fuel.

Does your car not have a fuel gauge, low fuel light, maybe even a trip computer telling you the remaining range...?

born_again

Bonniepurple said:

I’m not ready for an EV as yet. I’m disabled, so I worry about range and being stuck.  If push comes to shove and I run out of petrol I can hobble/send my daughters for fuel.  I can’t do that with an EV.  My brother was looking at getting an EV, but the house he’s buying doesn’t have off street parking.  Yes, street lights could be used, but that would involve cables across the street or channels cut into the pavement-which would cause problems for wheelchair users.  They’d also be issues as to who pays - individual, council-and therefore tax payers-or a sponsorship deal?

For me, EVs are currently too expensive and the infrastructure isn’t there yet.  In another 5 years it hopefully will be-but then, what will replace fuel duty?  I also remain unconvinced that EVs are the panacea that we’re being told they are.  Sure, they produce fewer emissions at the tailpipe than ICE.  What about the rest of the environmental impact, including the mining for the battery minerals?  

Ultimately, we’re all going to have to change from thinking “car first” to “car last”.  I might not be able to walk very far,  but I could use my power chair or cycle (electric bike) instead of jumping in the car-however those also involve rechargeable batteries which have an environmental impact…

You park next to lamppost, & the cable go straight to car, no trailing wires across footpath etc.

As per this

https://ubitricity.com/en/charging-solutions/ac-lamppost/

henry24

So how many extra lampposts will be needed for every car