Advice needed for signage appeal - BW Legal - Letter of Claim

M03

Hi all,

I have received a PCN from Parking & Property Management. I have read the newbies thread and I am aware about the standard first level appeal.

However, I am preparing some "evidence" for the expected rejection.

I don't believe there is a valid entrance sign. As per the IPC CoP version 8 (newest version is 9 which refers to 8 for the entrance sign, Single CoP gives extra time for signage to comply), "Where a Car Park has a defined entrance, Operators should display entrance signs". This particular car park uses the same sign as the other "Signs Displaying Terms and Conditions" (as per CoP).

"Entrance Signs should:
a) make it clear that the Motorist is entering onto private land;
b) refer the Motorist to the signs within the Car Park which display the full terms and conditions."

Am I correct and is this a valid point to raise around the validity/compliance of the car park?

Thanks

Gr1pr

Raise any legal point you like, especially about signage and no landowner authority 

Just dont expect a cancellation by P&PM , or by the IAS

M03

Questions around the same above sign from a "Signs Displaying Terms and Conditions" perspective:

"The Operator must adequately display any signs intended to form the basis of contract between the Creditor and the Motorist. Such signs must:

c. identify yourself as ‘the Creditor’;"

It does not refer to themselves as such

The privacy notice URL at the bottom of the sign is not valid: https://www.parkingandpropertymanagement.co.uk/privacy-notice

M03

Gr1pr said:

Raise any legal point you like, especially about signage and no landowner authority 

Just dont expect a cancellation by P&PM , or by the IAS

Thanks, will do. I was hoping to confirm whether my point is actually valid though, or whether I am being too "picky" about that sign

Coupon-mad

I would not even waste your time on appeal to any IPC firm. They aren't worth your time. The IAS is not impartial. We have no confidence in it whatsoever and we don't advise anyone to use it.

Sit tight. Ignore the £170 threatograms. See the FOURTH post of the NEWBIES thread

Tell them if you move house in 6 years.

Come back here if you get a LBC.  See the second post of the NEWBIES thread.

That is all.  

M03

Thanks. It is not my car so just working out the best plan, though an initial appeal followed by a request to use POPLA (which I know will be requested) has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum and at least shows interaction if the case were to progress further?

Le_Kirk

M03 said:

Thanks. It is not my car so just working out the best plan, though an initial appeal followed by a request to use POPLA (which I know will be requested) has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum and at least shows interaction if the case were to progress further?

You won't be able to appeal through POPLA as P&PM are an IPC firm, therefore the advice above by @Coupon-mad stands.  If it is not your car, on what basis are you appealing or even dealing?

Car1980

IPC run a marsupial operation.

M03

It's my wife's car so I am handling this for her. She is the keeper

Coupon-mad

M03 said:

It's my wife's car so I am handling this for her. She is the keeper

Oh she can easily ignore the letters then!

Tell her this woman said so...she can do it.

Ignoring scam emails and letters is all good life experience.  Perfectly normal & not stressful.

Fruitcake

Has Plan A been exhausted yet, a complaint from the keeper to the landowner and the keeper's MP?