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powerful_Rogue

LinLui said:

powerful_Rogue said:

Sounds like a sickness investigation meeting. I've had one previously, was just a process the manager had to follow. Took all of 2 minutes with NFA taken. Just a tick box exercise.

That is a dangerous piece of advice. Nothing may happen as the result of a single sickness absence meeting. But they are part of a cumulative process that can,  and often does,  eventually lead to dismissal. They are not tick box exercises. They are formal employment processes, just as disciplinarian are,  and are just as serious. 

I didn't offer any advice, let alone dangerous advice. I gave a factual account of a sickness investigation meeting I had in the CS. It was just a tick box exercise as my line manager had already stated he was going to use his discretion and mark it NFA, however we had to go through the process.

EnPointe

LinLui said:

powerful_Rogue said:

Sounds like a sickness investigation meeting. I've had one previously, was just a process the manager had to follow. Took all of 2 minutes with NFA taken. Just a tick box exercise.

That is a dangerous piece of advice. Nothing may happen as the result of a single sickness absence meeting. But they are part of a cumulative process that can,  and often does,  eventually lead to dismissal. They are not tick box exercises. They are formal employment processes, just as disciplinarian are,  and are just as serious. 

1. a Stage 1 Sickness meeting  is under the attendance and capability processes in every organisation i;ve been involved with   privat,e public or 3rd sector 

2. at a Stage 1 meeting the  only  outcome that is in place is enhanced monitoring  +/- Occ health  review and generally a reminder that continued absenses will  lead to  the next stages  of the process .  

the exception to the above is if someone drops themselves in it with reference to  being fraudulent with their sick leave 

That said i would always recommend  ideally a union rep , but otherwise a level headed colleague  to be present on your side 

EnPointe

powerful_Rogue said:

LinLui said:

powerful_Rogue said:

Sounds like a sickness investigation meeting. I've had one previously, was just a process the manager had to follow. Took all of 2 minutes with NFA taken. Just a tick box exercise.

That is a dangerous piece of advice. Nothing may happen as the result of a single sickness absence meeting. But they are part of a cumulative process that can,  and often does,  eventually lead to dismissal. They are not tick box exercises. They are formal employment processes, just as disciplinarian are,  and are just as serious. 

I didn't offer any advice, let alone dangerous advice. I gave a factual account of a sickness investigation meeting I had in the CS. It was just a tick box exercise as my line manager had already stated he was going to use his discretion and mark it NFA, however we had to go through the process.

exactly  this 

LinLui

EnPointe said:

LinLui said:

powerful_Rogue said:

Sounds like a sickness investigation meeting. I've had one previously, was just a process the manager had to follow. Took all of 2 minutes with NFA taken. Just a tick box exercise.

That is a dangerous piece of advice. Nothing may happen as the result of a single sickness absence meeting. But they are part of a cumulative process that can,  and often does,  eventually lead to dismissal. They are not tick box exercises. They are formal employment processes, just as disciplinarian are,  and are just as serious. 

1. a Stage 1 Sickness meeting  is under the attendance and capability processes in every organisation i;ve been involved with   privat,e public or 3rd sector 

2. at a Stage 1 meeting the  only  outcome that is in place is enhanced monitoring  +/- Occ health  review and generally a reminder that continued absenses will  lead to  the next stages  of the process .  

the exception to the above is if someone drops themselves in it with reference to  being fraudulent with their sick leave 

That said i would always recommend  ideally a union rep , but otherwise a level headed colleague  to be present on your side 

So it is not a " tick box" exercise. It is the first stage of a formal process which may lead to further stages if there is continued or further absence. Exactly as I have said. Anecdotal stories of what happened in individual circumstances doesn't reflect the fact that this is a formal process which needs to be followed to comply with legal requirements if further action is taken. Compassion or discretion are not part of that - an employer can exercise either or both, but they are not required to.