PCN paid for by leasing company

Coupon-mad

I agree.

Stop engaging with G24. There's no appeal (even in a case where the PCN hasn't been paid) and it is a waste of time to contact them.

travellover123

I thought it would make my case against my leasing company stronger if I show I’ve done that they told me to do (appeal on the day before G24 receive the payment) but that was still of no avail and so I have proof that they’ve denied me my right to appeal?

Coupon-mad

Yes it probably will ... but I think the regulars are a bit surprised at a 5 page thread chewing over appealing to G24 as if that's going to work. Which it can't (as you rightly say).

travellover123

Sorry for all the hassle! And thanks everyone for all your help so far, appreciate it! 

Gr1pr

My first reply said this

G24 will reject the appeals, no doubt about the outcome 

So the appeal to G24 may have stopped the cheque being cashed, would not have resulted in a cancellation, but gives extra ammo to have a pop at the lease company, like in the linked vwfs thread earlier. That is the main issue here, has been for 12 years, ever since POFA arrived, lease companies failing to transfer liability by sticking to POFA when dealing with PCNs, especially triggering the memorandum of understanding by the BVRLA in order to clarify the position to their members.  Ignorance is no excuse ! Time they did a refresher course 

travellover123

Hi all, 

So I have received another PCN from G24 for the same reason (parking in that car park and entering the incorrect VRM), I suspect a few more may be on the way. 

BUT this time, my leasing company have not paid it and instead wrote to me about it. I received the attached letter in the post today. 

This is great because it’s just more ammo for me against the leasing company for the first two PCNs that they did pay but how do I go about dealing with this one? 

Many thanks! 

Gr1pr

personally, I would tell them to name you as the hirer / lessee anyway by following the law named POFA 2012 , regardless of if G24 accept it or not , because the law is above the whims of G24 and by following the law they are telling G24 to transfer the charge to you as the lawful lessee and they lawfully exit liability as the registered keeper

it doesnt matter if G24 dont accept it, as long as the lease company follow the law anyway, in writing

in other words, they should follow the law, because the law protects them 

the memorandum is the guidance to them by their trade body but nothing to do with english laws,, its the actual law that matters here , so tell them that they MUST not pay it and charge you, otherwise you will put that charge into dispute due to them not following the law within England and Wales

good to know that this time they mention the words PARKING CHARGE, not penalty or fine or some other words that it isnt

one problem I can see here is the fact that you keep getting these G24 pcn,s , you need to modify the drivers behaviour to actually stop getting them, especially if its always the same place ( stop using that car park ) , or stop the keying errors, or BOTH !

but as we keep telling you, G24 will not uphold ANY appeal, any appeal will be rejected no matter who it is from

travellover123

Gr1pr said:

but as we keep telling you, G24 will notuphold ANY appeal, any appeal will be rejected no matter who it is from

Does this mean once my leasing company name me I’ll have to pay the fine? 

I’ll email them telling them to name me and the drivers behaviour has been fixed once that first PCN arrived but unfortunately until then it happened quite a few times

Half_way

travellover123 said:

Gr1pr said:

but as we keep telling you, G24 will notuphold ANY appeal, any appeal will be rejected no matter who it is from

Does this mean once my leasing company name me I’ll have to pay the fine? 

I’ll email them telling them to name me and the drivers behaviour has been fixed once that first PCN arrived but unfortunately until then it happened quite a few times

What fine?

Gr1pr

there is no fine , that is one of the main gripes between yourself and the lease company, NOT A FINE, NOT A PENALTY

what it means is that if the leasing company follow the law that actually applies, naming you as the hirer ( as the lessee keeper who has the vehicle ) , G24 should issue a new pcn to the hirer, known as an NTH, which comes to YOUR address with YOUR name on it

this is why the BVRLA drew up the MOU , so that leasing and hire companies follow the correct process that allows them to transfer liability away from themselves 

I would have thought that you would understand the correct process by now , its been explained enough times and is in the newbies sticky thread, at the bottom of the first post

once an NtH PCN arrives in your name to your address, you then decide what to do with it, same as I would if a PCN arrived at my address with my name on it

that statement in bold is what you are trying to achieve by other companies following the law, its why the law is there, to assist them if they want to transfer any liability to the hirer, ( lessee. )

nobody on here has mentioned anything about paying it  !

but if you keep calling it a fine you wont get anywhere, because that is one of the mistakes that the lease company are making, by treating it as a fine or penalty, instead of treating it as an invoice from a private company