Money Moral Dilemma: Should my husband's friends help pay his parking fine?

Mychoice

When I agreed to use my car I would take complete resposibility for my actions an,therefore, I personally would be prepared to pay up the fine. Maybe if it was a large sum I would ask if anyone could contribute anything but voluntarily. If, however, one of my friends was caught in such a dilema I would I would gladly chip in.

KeithP

Would this thread be better placed of the MSE forum board entitled Parking tickets, fines & parking?

jelboygrit

The driver is solely responsible and perhaps this will teach him to read the T&C's of the car park in future.

JayD

Coupon-mad said:

MSE_Laura_F said:

This week's MoneySaver who wants advice asks...

My husband recently went away with two friends on a walking holiday. During one trip, my husband drove them in his car and parked up at a supermarket. After shopping there, the three of them left the car and went on their planned walk - totally oblivious to the car park's time restrictions. My husband just received a £60 private parking fine. If he's unable to fight it successfully, should he ask his two friends to chip in and split the fine three ways?

Didn't we have this same Money Moral Dilemma about 5 years ago or more?

I remember it. Exact scenario.

It isn't a fine. MSE should not call private parking charges 'fines'. They are invoices.

The short answer is get the retailer or retail park to cancel it. That is ALWAYS Plan A and should be front and centre of MSE's Private parking tickets guide.  Always the first step.

The long answer is - it depends on which PPC.  Some of the ANPR firms at supermarkets never use the right to keeper liability. They choose not to use that wording.

As such, the registered keeper 100% wins on appeal to a BPA member and cannot lose if POPLA is on offer (again, depends which PPC). As long as - when appealing - they don't say who was driving or start talking about their story of what happened.

So the actual answer is:

Assuming it's not in Scotland (where the clear advice IS to ignore a private PCN issued prior to the new regulation and statutory Code of Practice) the answer is:

Come to this forum and get it cancelled but DO NOT PAY.

No-one should be suggesting that people currently pay a PPC just because they lose at the woefully anti-consumer farce of either of the two self-serving 'appeals services'.

It doesn't suddenly become 'payable' just because the joke 'appeal' comes down (usually) in favour of the rogue industry that the new Government will be regulating within months.

People should know and be confident NOT to just pay these. There's no risk to letting it go to court, or not, as the case may be.  ALWAYS complain to the retailer first and their CEO/Head Office, if the branch manager is unhelpful.

The PPC is just an agent. Regardless of any breach, the principal landowner or shops can almost always lean on the agent and order a PCN cancelled for customers.

And my advice in saying "don't pay it" is not to say ignore it (except NI & Scotland where you still can). See my signature.

Readers should read the NEWBIES thread.

Things will change in a few months with the advent of the Government's statutory CoP and better appeals and scrutiny.

Nuff said above..

My long answer: Find out the info suggested above and act on it. That way NO ONE pays.

 However, if you can't be bothered, have you told your companions about the fine? 

If not, maybe they will offer to share it - otherwise ask them to!

ggloria007

Was he driving them for free ??? In this case yes he should be compensated so he does not take the full responsibility.... what would uour husband do if we was driven and another friend did exactly the same???  If I was him I would share the news with the friends and see how it goes. ... in this was he is not the only one with dilemma. It could be interesting and beneficial for the friendship... 

sheramber

What does your husband think is more importnat than what you or we think.

What does he think?

DorisfromDerby

A driver is responsible for parking his car. He may be able to appeal, or if he pays up promptly it may be a lower fee, but the responsibility is his alone. If his friends are kind enough they might offer to share the cost but they are under no obligation. If I were being given a lift by someone I wouldn’t expect to have to concern myself about where they parked although from my own bitter experience I might have suggested that a supermarket car park would not be a good choice.

Simmer45

No. The driver is responsible. Would the driver expect reimbursement if stopped speeding, drinking, drugs, no tx or insurance or MOT. Once you get behind wheel the driver is responsible. If the pals decide to chip in that's ok but that doesn't absolve the driver at all.

PixelPound

sheramber said:

What does your husband think is more importnat than what you or we think.

What does he think?

Given this was a MMD 5 years ago, are you assuming there's a real person submitting the question rather than the forum bods either not being thorough enough on checking what has gone before or purposely rehashing the old MMD expecting people not to remember.

Mark_d

MSE_Laura_F said:

This week's MoneySaver who wants advice asks...

My husband recently went away with two friends on a walking holiday. During one trip, my husband drove them in his car and parked up at a supermarket. After shopping there, the three of them left the car and went on their planned walk - totally oblivious to the car park's time restrictions. My husband just received a £60 private parking fine. If he's unable to fight it successfully, should he ask his two friends to chip in and split the fine three ways?

The car driver is the one who makes the ultimate decisions as to where the car is parked and how the car drives.  The car driver is the one responsible for knowing the rules and regulations for driving and parking.

If I had made the parking error, I would absolutely pay the fine myself.

I don't think your husband can ask his friends to pay for his mistakes.  He can mention what happened with the fine.  I don't think he should accept any money from his friends if they offer to pay, but maybe the friends can buy him a drink to show him some appreciation for taking on the driving/parking risks