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I am a  Department Manager at a warehouse company and report directly to a director of the company.  I was today informed that I would now report to the Goods Inward Manager rather than a director and therefore he will be in control of the function of my department.
I was told that this is to streamline things and should not be seen as demotion but whereas before I had some control within my department it would appear that this will no longer be the case.
Is this something that they can do without any consultation ?
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  • LinLui
    LinLui Posts: 570 Forumite
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    Yes. How they structure their business is their choice. You continue in the same job,  same pay,  same terms - you may see it as a demotion, but they are correct in that it isn't. 
  • CED60
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    Thanks LinLui I thought that may well be the case - I will keep quiet and cashing my pay cheque !
  • El_Torro
    El_Torro Posts: 1,896 Forumite
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    I know people who have been in a similar situation and successfully claimed constructive dismissal. This resulted in them leaving the company with a pay out. 

    If you don’t want to leave then there’s no point in going down this route. Also if you did claim for constructive dismissal there’s no guarantee you’ll win.
  • TELLIT01
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    I held a single role in a company and at various times reported directly to the MD, the FD, the Business Development Manager and Admin Manager.  It didn't make any difference to me.
  • MeteredOut
    MeteredOut Posts: 3,114 Forumite
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    edited 20 May 2024 at 4:35PM
    El_Torro said:
    I know people who have been in a similar situation and successfully claimed constructive dismissal. This resulted in them leaving the company with a pay out. 

    If you don’t want to leave then there’s no point in going down this route. Also if you did claim for constructive dismissal there’s no guarantee you’ll win.
    Can you share on what basis their claim was accepted? I can't see how a simple restructure is means for constructive dismissal.

    OP, are your job duties actually changing? You suggest you'll be losing some level of control.
  • LinLui
    LinLui Posts: 570 Forumite
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    El_Torro said:
    I know people who have been in a similar situation and successfully claimed constructive dismissal. This resulted in them leaving the company with a pay out. 

    If you don’t want to leave then there’s no point in going down this route. Also if you did claim for constructive dismissal there’s no guarantee you’ll win.
    It is almost impossible to claim constructive unfair dismissal,  and a little harder than that to actually win one.  Given the OPs information provided,  and based only on that,  they have a cat in hells chance. And I'm confused a to how they managed to leave the company with a pay out when they'd have to have already left to make such a claim. 

    OP - the only "pay out" you'll get is a wage if you continue working.  Don't even think of trying this unless having no wage is an attractive proposition. 
  • Marcon
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    El_Torro said:
    I know people who have been in a similar situation and successfully claimed constructive dismissal. This resulted in them leaving the company with a pay out. 


    Really? Have you any idea how hard it is to win a constructive dismissal case? You refer to 'people' rather than just one person, so I think there's more than one individual who's been having you on.
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • EnPointe
    EnPointe Posts: 844 Forumite
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    CED60 said:
    I am a  Department Manager at a warehouse company and report directly to a director of the company.  I was today informed that I would now report to the Goods Inward Manager rather than a director and therefore he will be in control of the function of my department.
    I was told that this is to streamline things and should not be seen as demotion but whereas before I had some control within my department it would appear that this will no longer be the case.
    Is this something that they can do without any consultation ?
    yes they can do that  

    the rest of  your  comments are  currently without basis  

    even in graded structures  there are always  individuals  who despite their title are seen as of  de facto are more senior 
  • EnPointe
    EnPointe Posts: 844 Forumite
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    El_Torro said:
    I know people who have been in a similar situation and successfully claimed constructive dismissal. This resulted in them leaving the company with a pay out. 

    If you don’t want to leave then there’s no point in going down this route. Also if you did claim for constructive dismissal there’s no guarantee you’ll win.
    I find this somewhat  hard to  beleive especially as  there is no actual demotion   going on and the  TaCoS of the OPs engagement  appear  unchanged  except  for whom he reports to on a daily basis. 

    Departmental ?first Line?  managers reporting directly a Director  is an exception  in all but the smallest businesses where   there is no middle managment  just ' the bosses'  and the shop floor  workers ,
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