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Jt1979

Secret2ndAccount said:

Yes, you can buy Tesla shares on most of the major platforms. However, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Here are three ways to value a stock:

Plan A: Fundamentals
How much do they sell? How much profit do they make on those sales? Is that profit expected to grow or shrink over time? What is their level of debt or cash on hand? How well respected is the management? Do they have a history of exceeding their predictions or failing to do so? What innovations are ahead? How do they compare to similar companies in the same field?  Throw all this into the melting pot and it's possible to come up with some sort of realistic price for any stock.  
By this method Tesla stock is extremely expensive. They don't make enough profit to justify the high share price, and with weakening sales they can't promise sufficient growth into the future to grow into that share price.

Plan B: Technicals
Forget the specifics of the business, and just look at the price chart

Each successive peak is lower than the last. Each successive trough is lower than the last. This is a stock headed firmly down hill.

Plan C:  The Story
Some stock prices just float defiantly above fundamental or technical analysis. Think of it like buying shares in Liverpool Football Club. People just believe in the story, and buy to be part of it. This definitely happened with Tesla. The share price made no sense at $100. Then it went to $200, then it went to $380. This triggers FOMO (fear of missing out) and more people buy. Institutions notice how fast the price is rising and get on board to ride the train. This can go on for years. Eventually though, gravity ceases to be defied. The air is slowly coming out of the Tesla balloon. It's not going bankrupt. It's just going to be valued like a normal share, with maybe a bit extra for the Elon Musk factor.

Do not buy Tesla. I don't think it will be higher next week, and I don't think it will be higher in 5 years.

Thank you so much for your reply, you have been incredibly helpful. I will 100% take you comments on board. Looks like a bit much research is required. Thanks again. 

tea_and_cake

Hi I know this is old thread, im in the same boat, did you find a way to do this? Tesla now at $330 I hope you didn't take the advice :0) 

BobR64

I know for sure that Hargreaves Lansdown allow you to buy US stocks in their S&S ISA, SIPP and GIA and I imagine that the same is true of their competitors such as A J Bell. You would need to complete a W8BEN form, but HL make it easy to do that electronically.

tea_and_cake

BobR64 said:

I know for sure that Hargreaves Lansdown allow you to buy US stocks in their S&S ISA, SIPP and GIA and I imagine that the same is true of their competitors such as A J Bell. You would need to complete a W8BEN form, but HL make it easy to do that electronically.

Thanks, I currently have a SIPP with Vanguard and a stocks and shares ISA with trading 212. Id like to do the same with an old pension and put this mostly in disruptive stock like Tesla, AI and digital asset proxies such as MicroStrategy this is not my main pension so taking a bit of a punt here. 

poseidon1

tea_and_cake said:

BobR64 said:

I know for sure that Hargreaves Lansdown allow you to buy US stocks in their S&S ISA, SIPP and GIA and I imagine that the same is true of their competitors such as A J Bell. You would need to complete a W8BEN form, but HL make it easy to do that electronically.

Thanks, I currently have a SIPP with Vanguard and a stocks and shares ISA with trading 212. Id like to do the same with an old pension and put this mostly in disruptive stock like Tesla, AI and digital asset proxies such as MicroStrategy this is not my main pension so taking a bit of a punt here. 

At a market value of over 2.5 times the value of its bitcoin holdings, Microstrategy is most certainly in the 'punt' category. 

 However, since UK investors are currently locked out of the US etfs which more accurately track bitcoin, Microstrategy seems to be the only way to buy into the bitcoin story for pension investment purposes. 

Mr_Benn

I just say go for it , and come back in 4 years and tell us how you got on.  Boom or Bust !

LHW99

Invesco Coinshare Global Blockchain (BCHS) should be investibale by UK investors (I have a small %) and has Microstrategy Inc at 4.75%, plus Coinbase and other things

https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/invesco-coinshares-global-blockchain-ucits

NOT a recommendation - DYOR

tea_and_cake

poseidon1 said:

tea_and_cake said:

BobR64 said:

I know for sure that Hargreaves Lansdown allow you to buy US stocks in their S&S ISA, SIPP and GIA and I imagine that the same is true of their competitors such as A J Bell. You would need to complete a W8BEN form, but HL make it easy to do that electronically.

Thanks, I currently have a SIPP with Vanguard and a stocks and shares ISA with trading 212. Id like to do the same with an old pension and put this mostly in disruptive stock like Tesla, AI and digital asset proxies such as MicroStrategy this is not my main pension so taking a bit of a punt here. 

At a market value of over 2.5 times the value of its bitcoin holdings, Microstrategy is most certainly in the 'punt' category. 

 However, since UK investors are currently locked out of the US etfs which more accurately track bitcoin, Microstrategy seems to be the only way to buy into the bitcoin story for pension investment purposes. 

Thanks, I do hold some BTC miners and MicroStategy is a stocks and shares isa but wanted a way to lump this smallish pension into this space and see where we are in 10 years, Ive missed the huge run up in MS but if Saylor has his way is see this still having huge upside potential. Lots to consider. 

tea_and_cake

Mr_Benn said:

I just say go for it , and come back in 4 years and tell us how you got on.  Boom or Bust !

My thinking is this.  I have my main pension so im not completely going all in and have studied this space for a couple of years, just trying to figure out a way of self allocating the money in a SIPP in the UK. 

tea_and_cake

LHW99 said:

Invesco Coinshare Global Blockchain (BCHS) should be investibale by UK investors (I have a small %) and has Microstrategy Inc at 4.75%, plus Coinbase and other things

https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/invesco-coinshares-global-blockchain-ucits

NOT a recommendation - DYOR

Thank you, will look into this.