Employer withdraw conditional job offer

Yettym

Hello guys , please I need your advice on this as I don’t know how to fight this.

I trained as a General Nurse however decided to work in a mental health settings. I have worked both in inpatient and community settings. I currently have 2 years post qualification experience and I am currently at Band 6. I am a very fast learner and good at my job .

I saw an advert for a Band 7 role in another NHS trust. I applied and was called for interview which went well and I was phoned the following day that I have been given the job.

Few days later, I received the conditional offer later and the recruitment process immediately began. ( conditions include good references, right to work, clear criminal background and good health which I already provided ).
As the recruitment process began,  I received a call from my prospective line manager who ask me when I can start , we agreed mid July and I gave notice to my current employer.

Few weeks later, the NHS announced the 5% increment which allows everyone from Band 2-8 get extra 5% untop their wages.

I then look through the Trust website and I find out that all the jobs in the same category as mine has reflected the 5 % increase. I also found a role similar to mine with  increased wages different to mine.

during this time my prospective line manager messaged me and asked me to fill a form about my work mobile phone and laptop. I then filled the form however I used the opportunity to ask her about the 5% . I was not rude or anything , I just asked her for advice on who to contact about it but she did not respond to that email for about a week and half until today when she phoned me and informed me that the job offer will be withdrawn that she is sorry that the chief Nurse said I am not qualified enough. And that my year of experience is not enough and that I am not actually  a qualified mental health nurse that I am a general nurse but the preferred mental health nurse.

I was shocked because I did not lie on my application( it was boldly written) nor during interview. She said she is sorry that the decision “is above my pay grade”.

PS. The lady in question was the one that shortlisted me for an interview, she was the lead interviewer and she was the one that offered me the Job.  I have already hand in my notice around 4weeks ago, my current job has been advertised and I didn’t really know what to do. When I told her I will be jobless she said I can actually offer you a Band 6 role.  

Please kindly advise.

Yettym

Yettym said:

Hello guys , please I need your advice on this as I don’t know how to fight this.

I trained as a General Nurse however decided to work in a mental health settings. I have worked both in inpatient and community settings. I currently have 2 years post qualification experience and I am currently at Band 6. I am a very fast learner and good at my job .

I saw an advert for a Band 7 role in another NHS trust. I applied and was called for interview which went well and I was phoned the following day that I have been given the job.

Few days later, I received the conditional offer later and the recruitment process immediately began. ( conditions include good references, right to work, clear criminal background and good health which I already provided ).
As the recruitment process began,  I received a call from my prospective line manager who ask me when I can start , we agreed mid July and I gave notice to my current employer.

Few weeks later, the NHS announced the 5% increment which allows everyone from Band 2-8 get extra 5% untop their wages.

I then look through the Trust website and I find out that all the jobs in the same category as mine has reflected the 5 % increase. I also found a role similar to mine with  increased wages different to mine.

during this time my prospective line manager messaged me and asked me to fill a form about my work mobile phone and laptop. I then filled the form however I used the opportunity to ask her about the 5% . I was not rude or anything , I just asked her for advice on who to contact about it but she did not respond to that email for about a week and half until today when she phoned me and informed me that the job offer will be withdrawn that she is sorry that the chief Nurse said I am not qualified enough. And that my year of experience is not enough and that I am not actually  a qualified mental health nurse that I am a general nurse but the preferred mental health nurse.

I was shocked because I did not lie on my application( it was boldly written) nor during interview. She said she is sorry that the decision “is above my pay grade”.

PS. The lady in question was the one that shortlisted me for an interview, she was the lead interviewer and she was the one that offered me the Job.  I have already hand in my notice around 4weeks ago, my current job has been advertised and I didn’t really know what to do. When I told her I will be jobless she said I can actually offer you a Band 6 role.  

Please kindly advise.

She also said I can make complain by emailing her and that  she will forward it to the relevant department.
 I don’t know who to contact, I have searched on the website and I have found names of the chief executives officer, the chief nurse and other big names in the trust, do you think they will listen to me if I email them ? If yes, what can I say? I am so sad right now. 

Or I should present myself at their head office? 

El_Torro

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Yettym

El_Torro said:

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Thank you for your response, you know I wasn’t going to hand my notice in yet however she was the one who was asking for a start date and I need to give 8weeks notice and the process of recruitment can take up to 6 weeks. I was worried if I don’t give the notice earlier I might not be able to start the job in 3months.  I shouldn’t have hand that notice in.

debsy42

Getting a Band 7 role after only two years being newly qualified is really unheard of, the nurses I work with progress after a lot of studying, hard work, placements etc and this takes time to achieve all the criteria required. You sound keen and with determination should be able to gain the knowledge and experience you need.

Never give your notice to your current employer until you have an unconditional offer, it sounds like they have reviewed your application at a more senior level and determined you are not quite where you should be. Ask your old employer if you can rescind your notice and resume your old role.

Do not contact any "big named" people at the new trust, I'm surprised you are asking this working in the NHS as you should know this is not how things work.

El_Torro

Yettym said:

El_Torro said:

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Thank you for your response, you know I wasn’t going to hand my notice in yet however she was the one who was asking for a start date and I need to give 8weeks notice and the process of recruitment can take up to 6 weeks. I was worried if I don’t give the notice earlier I might not be able to start the job in 3months.  I shouldn’t have hand that notice in.

You acted on what you believed to be good faith, as a lot of other people do when changing jobs. Most people don't get caught out when doing this, unfortunately you did.

I did sort of mention this earlier but worth repeating: Is your current employer willing to withdraw your resignation? Have you asked? Or would you rather go to the new employer as a Band 6 anyway?

TELLIT01

My suspicion is that those who made the job offer to you didn't actually have the authority to so, but had assumed they had picked the right person for the job.  When the preferred appointee was passed up the chain of command to the Chief Nurse, it was decided at that level that you didn't have the required depth of experience.  Somewhere along the line there would seem to have been a breakdown in their internal communication processes, and you have become the unwitting victim.

Mistakes happen.  The question now is, do you want to take the position which now appears to be on offer, and use it as a stepping stone?  I can certainly understand you being annoyed and upset, but don't let this colour your view of the entire organisation. You need to look beyond that at your own career prospects.

Yettym

debsy42 said:

Getting a Band 7 role after only two years being newly qualified is really unheard of, the nurses I work with progress after a lot of studying, hard work, placements etc and this takes time to achieve all the criteria required. You sound keen and with determination should be able to gain the knowledge and experience you need.

Never give your notice to your current employer until you have an unconditional offer, it sounds like they have reviewed your application at a more senior level and determined you are not quite where you should be. Ask your old employer if you can rescind your notice and resume your old role.

Do not contact any "big named" people at the new trust, I'm surprised you are asking this working in the NHS as you should know this is not how things work.

Thanks for your response,
I have seen people moved up this way, I have completed Pgd programs at level 7 in University after my nmc registration which is one of the core requirements 

I will ask my current employer tomorrow if they can rescind my old job. Thanks again 

 

Yettym

TELLIT01 said:

My suspicion is that those who made the job offer to you didn't actually have the authority to so, but had assumed they had picked the right person for the job.  When the preferred appointee was passed up the chain of command to the Chief Nurse, it was decided at that level that you didn't have the required depth of experience.  Somewhere along the line there would seem to have been a breakdown in their internal communication processes, and you have become the unwitting victim.

Mistakes happen.  The question now is, do you want to take the position which now appears to be on offer, and use it as a stepping stone?  I can certainly understand you being annoyed and upset, but don't let this colour your view of the entire organisation. You need to look beyond that at your own career prospects.

Thank you for your response,

I don’t think that is the reason, I think it was because I asked about the 5% wage increase announced by all NHS trust , I think it triggered her because she never responded to that email. If she will not be offering me the job she will not send me the mobile phone and laptop forms. And also she waited for 4weeks to withdraw the job offer .

I will ask my current employer tomorrow if they can rescind my old job. Thanks you 

Yettym

El_Torro said:

Yettym said:

El_Torro said:

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Thank you for your response, you know I wasn’t going to hand my notice in yet however she was the one who was asking for a start date and I need to give 8weeks notice and the process of recruitment can take up to 6 weeks. I was worried if I don’t give the notice earlier I might not be able to start the job in 3months.  I shouldn’t have hand that notice in.

You acted on what you believed to be good faith, as a lot of other people do when changing jobs. Most people don't get caught out when doing this, unfortunately you did.

I did sort of mention this earlier but worth repeating: Is your current employer willing to withdraw your resignation? Have you asked? Or would you rather go to the new employer as a Band 6 anyway?

El_Torro said:

Yettym said:

El_Torro said:

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Thank you for your response, you know I wasn’t going to hand my notice in yet however she was the one who was asking for a start date and I need to give 8weeks notice and the process of recruitment can take up to 6 weeks. I was worried if I don’t give the notice earlier I might not be able to start the job in 3months.  I shouldn’t have hand that notice in.

You acted on what you believed to be good faith, as a lot of other people do when changing jobs. Most people don't get caught out when doing this, unfortunately you did.

I did sort of mention this earlier but worth repeating: Is your current employer willing to withdraw your resignation? Have you asked? Or would you rather go to the new employer as a Band 6 anyway?

El_Torro said:

Yettym said:

El_Torro said:

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Thank you for your response, you know I wasn’t going to hand my notice in yet however she was the one who was asking for a start date and I need to give 8weeks notice and the process of recruitment can take up to 6 weeks. I was worried if I don’t give the notice earlier I might not be able to start the job in 3months.  I shouldn’t have hand that notice in.

You acted on what you believed to be good faith, as a lot of other people do when changing jobs. Most people don't get caught out when doing this, unfortunately you did.

I did sort of mention this earlier but worth repeating: Is your current employer willing to withdraw your resignation? Have you asked? Or would you rather go to the new employer as a Band 6 anyway

Yettym said:

El_Torro said:

I have no experience working for the NHS, so take what I say for what it's worth:

Normally it's best practice not to hand your notice in until you have a contract with your new employer. I don't think a conditional offer letter counts. Saying this now doesn't help you much, something to consider for the future though. 

I don't think that contacting the CEO or Chief Nurse will lead to an outcome that you are happy with. I wouldn't do it. 

You have been offered a Band 6 role at your new employer. Can you take that and start looking for a Band 7 role elsewhere? This seems to be the best way to proceed, assuming your current employer isn't willing to withdraw your resignation. 


I can understand why you are not happy with the way you have been treated. I wouldn't be either. Unless I'm missing something about how the NHS works I don't think there's a lot you can do about it though.

Thank you for your response, you know I wasn’t going to hand my notice in yet however she was the one who was asking for a start date and I need to give 8weeks notice and the process of recruitment can take up to 6 weeks. I was worried if I don’t give the 

I will ask my current employer tomorrow if they can rescind my old job. Thanks again

debsy42

Rescind your notice not the job

Good luck and hope you can make your way up, it's not always easy in the NHS