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Holiday/pay regards kings coronation.

Just checking to see if I've got this right as I've been asked by someone.

So your holiday runs 1Jan-31Dec & you get 20 days holiday.
To be picky, you get 28 but there's 8 bank holiday days that are fixed so they are what they are. You have 20 days to use as you wish (to a degree - obviously the company have to agree to them).

So on to Monday 8th May...

For me it doesn't matter as our company gave us the day off & are paying us like a normal holiday/bank holiday.

For the person asking me, what their company has done has given them it all off ..... but it comes out of their 20 days holiday.

Now my thinking was that they don't HAVE to give you it off, you could be made to work it - and then you'd get that day to take elsewhere in the year, but they can't just remove the bank holiday from your allowance completely?

Or is that not the case?

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  • Torry_Quine
    Torry_Quine Posts: 18,874 Forumite
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    If your entitlement is 28 days including public holidays then they don't have to give you an extra day for the coronation. If the entitlement is 20 days and public holidays then you get an extra day  for the coronation. 
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  • General_Grant
    General_Grant Posts: 5,295 Forumite
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    edited 12 May 2023 at 7:59PM
    Just checking to see if I've got this right as I've been asked by someone.

    So your holiday runs 1Jan-31Dec & you get 20 days holiday.
    To be picky, you get 28 but there's 8 bank holiday days that are fixed so they are what they are. You have 20 days to use as you wish (to a degree - obviously the company have to agree to them).

    So on to Monday 8th May...

    For me it doesn't matter as our company gave us the day off & are paying us like a normal holiday/bank holiday.

    For the person asking me, what their company has done has given them it all off ..... but it comes out of their 20 days holiday.  The extra Bank Holiday for the Coronation didn't increase everyone's holiday entitlement so it would be deducted from the 20 days if the company doesn't want to give an extra day's holiday but does want their employees to take it.  They are simply telling the employee when to take their holiday - which they could do for all the 20 days if they wished (though not all that good for employee-employer relations!).

    Now my thinking was that they don't HAVE to give you it off, you could be made to work it (correct) - and then you'd get that day to take elsewhere in the year (no, if the day is not taken off there is no replacement necessary), but they can't just remove the bank holiday from your allowance completely? The Coronation Day BH as such was never in the allowance to start with and, in this case, would not be added.

    Or is that not the case?
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  • Undervalued
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    If your entitlement is 28 days including public holidays then they don't have to give you an extra day for the coronation. If the entitlement is 20 days and public holidays then you get an extra day  for the coronation. 
    Exactly.

    There is so much confusion about bank holidays and it depends totally on the wording of the contract.

    To be clear there is no overarching legal right to bank holidays, not even Christmas day. The default legal entitlement, for a full time employee, is to 5.6 weeks (28 days) paid holiday per year to be taken when the employer chooses.

    Whilst many firms treat that as (in a normal year) the eight bank holidays plus twenty other days they don't have to. Some firms need all there staff at work on some or even all bank holidays, other firms close and nobody works.


  • Spendless
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    No different to workplaces that  fully close for Christmas but decide one year to round it all up into full weeks for a 'nice break off' . I once attended an interview like that, and when told quickly worked out that 7 days would be coming out of the 20 day holiday entitlement they had and  said they would mean you would get 13 days AL of your own choosing (not much if you already had a fortnight's hol planned)  -  cue a brief awkward  silence whilst they digested this. Needless to say I didn't get offered the job - not that I wanted it anyway.  I totally understand smaller and/or cash strapped companies doing this by taking this away from the 20 days  but if it's a larger/more affluent company  doing it then IME they tend to be stingy in other areas too. 
  • cr1mson
    cr1mson Posts: 930 Forumite
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    Remember that your company can tell you when to take holiday.

    It looks like this has happenned here they have told the person to take that day as holiday.
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