Handing in my resignation

elsien

pope said:

MattMattMattUK said:

pope said:

I have been on long term sick how things are going I don't think I will be going back to work. If I hand in my resignation due to ill health is ther any chance my employer will offer redundancy or some sort of money I have worked for the same company as a worker for 20 years?

Thanks

If you resign they cannot offer to make you redundant, they can only make you redundant if they are making that job role redundant, there is a proper process to be followed, they might choose to do that if it become obvious that you are never coming back to work, but they cannot do that if you resign. They might offer you something for having been there for 20 years, they might not, but without knowing your employer no one can say and I would suspect it is unlikely. 

Out of interest, why resign? If you are on long term sick surely that is the better proposition in terms of income, then you either may be made redundant or you might feel fit enough to return at some point, even in a more limited role.

MattMattMattUK said:

pope said:

I have been on long term sick how things are going I don't think I will be going back to work. If I hand in my resignation due to ill health is ther any chance my employer will offer redundancy or some sort of money I have worked for the same company as a worker for 20 years?

Thanks

If you resign they cannot offer to make you redundant, they can only make you redundant if they are making that job role redundant, there is a proper process to be followed, they might choose to do that if it become obvious that you are never coming back to work, but they cannot do that if you resign. They might offer you something for having been there for 20 years, they might not, but without knowing your employer no one can say and I would suspect it is unlikely. 

Out of interest, why resign? If you are on long term sick surely that is the better proposition in terms of income, then you either may be made redundant or you might feel fit enough to return at some point, even in a more limited role.

There is no income involved as statutory sick pay has ended and company sick pay. I have lower limb damage and employer keeps on asking me to come into work for a welfare meeting every 2 to 3 weeks. I have told them this is difficult for me can we do this over the phone but they have refused and said we have to call you in for a meeting. 

I'm also thinking is my my employer doing this deliberately to make me upset and eventually push me to resign. As I am fed up of keep on going to these welfare meetings. 

Do you have a copy of your works long-term sickness policy? That may give some clearer guidance as to the frequency of contact et cetera. Is there anywhere else you could meet instead it that would be easier for you? Or would via teams instead of on the phone be a possibility?

Undervalued

Bradden said:

oldernonethewiser said:

If you are no longer capable of doing your current job your employer should assess your fitness for work and if possible accomodate you in some way.  If that is not possible then then they may dismiss you with some financial settlement.

Why would there be a financial settlement? The could dismiss them due to being unable to fulfil their contract?

Yes they could providing they follow a proper and fair process. However, even then they may be on the receiving end of a claim which it would cost money to defend and they are most unlikely to get back even if they win. For that reason in such situations many (but by no means all) employers may choose to offer some modest settlement agreement. They may also do so for a long standing employee as a small gesture of goodwill.

OP, the almost universal "good" advice in these situations is to sit tight and let the employer make all the moves. You should co-operate but you don't have to hurry! If nothing else, every two weeks you stay on the books earns you another day's holiday which will have to be paid when your employment does come to an end.

oldernonethewiser

Bradden said:

oldernonethewiser said:

If you are no longer capable of doing your current job your employer should assess your fitness for work and if possible accomodate you in some way.  If that is not possible then then they may dismiss you with some financial settlement.

Why would there be a financial settlement? The could dismiss them due to being unable to fulfil their contract?

A company may choose to make a payment in this case but it is of course by no means certain.

pope

elsien said:

pope said:

MattMattMattUK said:

pope said:

I have been on long term sick how things are going I don't think I will be going back to work. If I hand in my resignation due to ill health is ther any chance my employer will offer redundancy or some sort of money I have worked for the same company as a worker for 20 years?

Thanks

If you resign they cannot offer to make you redundant, they can only make you redundant if they are making that job role redundant, there is a proper process to be followed, they might choose to do that if it become obvious that you are never coming back to work, but they cannot do that if you resign. They might offer you something for having been there for 20 years, they might not, but without knowing your employer no one can say and I would suspect it is unlikely. 

Out of interest, why resign? If you are on long term sick surely that is the better proposition in terms of income, then you either may be made redundant or you might feel fit enough to return at some point, even in a more limited role.

MattMattMattUK said:

pope said:

I have been on long term sick how things are going I don't think I will be going back to work. If I hand in my resignation due to ill health is ther any chance my employer will offer redundancy or some sort of money I have worked for the same company as a worker for 20 years?

Thanks

If you resign they cannot offer to make you redundant, they can only make you redundant if they are making that job role redundant, there is a proper process to be followed, they might choose to do that if it become obvious that you are never coming back to work, but they cannot do that if you resign. They might offer you something for having been there for 20 years, they might not, but without knowing your employer no one can say and I would suspect it is unlikely. 

Out of interest, why resign? If you are on long term sick surely that is the better proposition in terms of income, then you either may be made redundant or you might feel fit enough to return at some point, even in a more limited role.

There is no income involved as statutory sick pay has ended and company sick pay. I have lower limb damage and employer keeps on asking me to come into work for a welfare meeting every 2 to 3 weeks. I have told them this is difficult for me can we do this over the phone but they have refused and said we have to call you in for a meeting. 

I'm also thinking is my my employer doing this deliberately to make me upset and eventually push me to resign. As I am fed up of keep on going to these welfare meetings. 

Do you have a copy of your works long-term sickness policy? That may give some clearer guidance as to the frequency of contact et cetera. Is there anywhere else you could meet instead it that would be easier for you? Or would via teams instead of on the phone be a possibility?

I have just checked the sickness policy it just says to control absence we will conduct absence welfare meetings if employee is asked they must. 

There is nothing mentioned about the frequency and how the meeting will be conducted. Thus makes me think they are taking for a ride and not taking into consideration my illness. 

I have just remembered I am part of the company Union perhaps they will be able to put some light on to my situation.

Grumpy_chap

I understand the challenges of a long term sickness situation and sympathise with the OP.

It is not clear, though, what the OP can gain by handing in their notice (unless they have an alternative employment opportunity to accept).

The contact sessions seem like a positive to me - the employer doing their best to maintain as much support as they can for the OP.  This is also an opportunity for the OP to remind the employer of their commitment to the company, their desire to return to their normal role if health ever permits, and their interest in alternative roles that accommodate the current health situation.  Without these, the OP could risk just becoming "forgotten".

I think, as well, the best thing is to persevere and, in time, the employer may initiate some termination process (with a financial settlement of some kind), a genuine redundancy situation may arise and the OP may be eligible, and alternative opening may arise in the business, etc.
If the OP indicates they are thinking of leaving of their own initiative, the employer is less likely to initiate any kind of process with a financial settlement (or without).

MalMonroe

pope said:

elsien said:

pope said:

MattMattMattUK said:

pope said:

I have been on long term sick how things are going I don't think I will be going back to work. If I hand in my resignation due to ill health is ther any chance my employer will offer redundancy or some sort of money I have worked for the same company as a worker for 20 years?

Thanks

If you resign they cannot offer to make you redundant, they can only make you redundant if they are making that job role redundant, there is a proper process to be followed, they might choose to do that if it become obvious that you are never coming back to work, but they cannot do that if you resign. They might offer you something for having been there for 20 years, they might not, but without knowing your employer no one can say and I would suspect it is unlikely. 

Out of interest, why resign? If you are on long term sick surely that is the better proposition in terms of income, then you either may be made redundant or you might feel fit enough to return at some point, even in a more limited role.

MattMattMattUK said:

pope said:

I have been on long term sick how things are going I don't think I will be going back to work. If I hand in my resignation due to ill health is ther any chance my employer will offer redundancy or some sort of money I have worked for the same company as a worker for 20 years?

Thanks

If you resign they cannot offer to make you redundant, they can only make you redundant if they are making that job role redundant, there is a proper process to be followed, they might choose to do that if it become obvious that you are never coming back to work, but they cannot do that if you resign. They might offer you something for having been there for 20 years, they might not, but without knowing your employer no one can say and I would suspect it is unlikely. 

Out of interest, why resign? If you are on long term sick surely that is the better proposition in terms of income, then you either may be made redundant or you might feel fit enough to return at some point, even in a more limited role.

There is no income involved as statutory sick pay has ended and company sick pay. I have lower limb damage and employer keeps on asking me to come into work for a welfare meeting every 2 to 3 weeks. I have told them this is difficult for me can we do this over the phone but they have refused and said we have to call you in for a meeting. 

I'm also thinking is my my employer doing this deliberately to make me upset and eventually push me to resign. As I am fed up of keep on going to these welfare meetings. 

Do you have a copy of your works long-term sickness policy? That may give some clearer guidance as to the frequency of contact et cetera. Is there anywhere else you could meet instead it that would be easier for you? Or would via teams instead of on the phone be a possibility?

I have just checked the sickness policy it just says to control absence we will conduct absence welfare meetings if employee is asked they must. 

There is nothing mentioned about the frequency and how the meeting will be conducted. Thus makes me think they are taking for a ride and not taking into consideration my illness. 

I have just remembered I am part of the company Union perhaps they will be able to put some light on to my situation.

Hi, just to say have you thought of contacting acas as well? Just to give you some guidance.

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

Also, it's good that you are part of the union, they should definitely be able to give you some help and advice. After all, it's what you pay your subs for. 

All the best, I hope things work out for you. 

pope

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand the challenges of a long term sickness situation and sympathise with the OP.

It is not clear, though, what the OP can gain by handing in their notice (unless they have an alternative employment opportunity to accept).

The contact sessions seem like a positive to me - the employer doing their best to maintain as much support as they can for the OP.  This is also an opportunity for the OP to remind the employer of their commitment to the company, their desire to return to their normal role if health ever permits, and their interest in alternative roles that accommodate the current health situation.  Without these, the OP could risk just becoming "forgotten".

I think, as well, the best thing is to persevere and, in time, the employer may initiate some termination process (with a financial settlement of some kind), a genuine redundancy situation may arise and the OP may be eligible, and alternative opening may arise in the business, etc.
If the OP indicates they are thinking of leaving of their own initiative, the employer is less likely to initiate any kind of process with a financial settlement (or without).

I don't have another job lined up. As can't work the reason I'm thinking of resigning is that I have enough going on with my illness and then my employer not being helpful.

Grumpy_chap

It is a shame that you see the Welfare Meetings as a negative.  I would see such support as a very strong positive. 

 I would certainly have welcomed such interaction when I was long term sick a number of years back.  The only interaction I experienced was a letter when they stopped paying me and another when they ended the employment.

Takeaway_Addict

pope said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand the challenges of a long term sickness situation and sympathise with the OP.

It is not clear, though, what the OP can gain by handing in their notice (unless they have an alternative employment opportunity to accept).

The contact sessions seem like a positive to me - the employer doing their best to maintain as much support as they can for the OP.  This is also an opportunity for the OP to remind the employer of their commitment to the company, their desire to return to their normal role if health ever permits, and their interest in alternative roles that accommodate the current health situation.  Without these, the OP could risk just becoming "forgotten".

I think, as well, the best thing is to persevere and, in time, the employer may initiate some termination process (with a financial settlement of some kind), a genuine redundancy situation may arise and the OP may be eligible, and alternative opening may arise in the business, etc.
If the OP indicates they are thinking of leaving of their own initiative, the employer is less likely to initiate any kind of process with a financial settlement (or without).

I don't have another job lined up. As can't work the reason I'm thinking of resigning is that I have enough going on with my illness and then my employer not being helpful.

But you would work for them sitting down so why are you not applying for similar roles externally?

Undervalued

pope said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand the challenges of a long term sickness situation and sympathise with the OP.

It is not clear, though, what the OP can gain by handing in their notice (unless they have an alternative employment opportunity to accept).

The contact sessions seem like a positive to me - the employer doing their best to maintain as much support as they can for the OP.  This is also an opportunity for the OP to remind the employer of their commitment to the company, their desire to return to their normal role if health ever permits, and their interest in alternative roles that accommodate the current health situation.  Without these, the OP could risk just becoming "forgotten".

I think, as well, the best thing is to persevere and, in time, the employer may initiate some termination process (with a financial settlement of some kind), a genuine redundancy situation may arise and the OP may be eligible, and alternative opening may arise in the business, etc.
If the OP indicates they are thinking of leaving of their own initiative, the employer is less likely to initiate any kind of process with a financial settlement (or without).

I don't have another job lined up. As can't work the reason I'm thinking of resigning is that I have enough going on with my illness and then my employer not being helpful.

If you have made up you mind that you are not going back then simply proceed as I suggested in my earlier post. There really is little to be gained by solving the employer's problem (as they will see it) by resigning.