How do I get out of Dead end jobs
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That's my plan also, to pursue an opportunity through a graduate scheme. I understand a lot of banks offer this although they are competitive.
Thank you. Yes I plan to build good relationships with my lecturers and professors, and possibly pursue a PhD if the opportunity presents itself & feels appropriate. It feels a little late to go back to school but not much to lose in any case. The only thing will be supporting myself, it will have to be done part time. Good pointers.
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Not quite sure where you're getting all these assumptions from? And in themselves are a little bizarre. Daddy didn't help me out with a loan - never took money from my parents since turning 16 and getting my first part-time job - nobody has ever gotten me up the ladder via the backdoor. Instead of insulting me with these strange insinuations - focus on your own journey and development. I don't take it personally, just find it odd.
We all have different journeys in life - and there are always challenges along the way - but there's always a path to somewhere better, it's not about being a risk-taker - it's being open to other ideas. As I say - I hope you'll make the progress you want and find what you're looking for - but don't be afraid to try something different.
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To the OP.
You have had countless of good advice here, but you seem to be putting up various barriers as to why that advice won't work for you. You even assume people have had a leg up and ask what others have, which I find odd. You need to understand why are you doing this, as there is no need. It doens't help you. You need to drop the attitude.
In my opinion, you need:
1 - A vision of where you want to end up (even if it is completely unattainable). Think details of your ideal role. Look at it from the employers perspective and who they would want in that role, what experience they would need and what qualifications they would need.
2 - Take stock of where you are now. Don't be too hard on yourself - no one else does your job, so simple things you do every day you may not realise how vaulable that experience is. List it all down.
3 - Understand where the gap is between where you are now and your ideal role. Work out what you have not got.
4 - Research how you get the gap. As others have said, it may be a case of finding a role in a similar level, but different company & sector - to get you the experience you need. It may just be qualifications you need.
Unfortunately, without details of what 1 & 2, it is very difficult to judge (or advise) how you can get to where you want to be.
Also, if you find you then can't get to your ideal role, you can then think of what aspects of that role you would like and to seek these aspects in other roles. For example, I always wanted to be a singer/songwriter with a number 1 single. Realistically, the most I can hope for is working in an organisation with music around me. Not what I want, but at least it gives me aspects of what I want.
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My company starts graduates on about £70,000 per year, plus perhaps a £10,000 bonus, and starts them off with a formal classroom-based training scheme.Poisoncat said:https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027544#Comment_80027544<\/a><\/p>You're mid 40's minus a degree \/qualifications and expecting to be handed an interesting job on a plate, with no demonstrable experience, skills etc. Why would an employer offer this to you? What do you bring to the party?<\/p>
You don't need a degree, or qualifications - but without those doors to some careers (law, medicine, accountancy etc.) are firmly shut, and other careers will require you to work 3x as hard to progress as someone with a degree - sorry to be blunt, but that's how it is.<\/p>
I'm currently studying for an MA with the OU, self funding and part-time, whilst also doing a full time job. I don't need<\/em> the MA for my career, but I think (partly hope) the MA will open up more opportunities for me to progress\/develop my career and do the work I want to.<\/p>","bodyRaw":"[{\"type\":\"rich_embed_card\",\"children\":[{\"text\":\"\"}],\"dataSourceType\":\"url\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027544#Comment_80027544\",\"embedData\":{\"recordID\":80027544,\"recordType\":\"comment\",\"body\":\"
https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027329#Comment_80027329<\/a><\/p>Like what? Staff retention in the public sector is no better than the private and neither of them train. If you want to learn something you train yourself. <\/p>
https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027344#Comment_80027344<\/a><\/p>You're joking right? It's all about previous experience out there. Holding certain qualifications is usually the icing on the cake. <\/p>
I haven't had much luck to pursue an education as an adult. My plan is to study a degree later this year in management and digital technology. It's a vague field but I have few alternative options due to the lack of guidance out there <\/p>\",\"bodyRaw\":\"[{\\\"type\\\":\\\"rich_embed_card\\\",\\\"children\\\":[{\\\"text\\\":\\\"\\\"}],\\\"dataSourceType\\\":\\\"url\\\",\\\"url\\\":\\\"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027329#Comment_80027329\\\",\\\"embedData\\\":{\\\"recordID\\\":80027329,\\\"recordType\\\":\\\"comment\\\",\\\"body\\\":\\\"
The NHS employs many people but the salaries are so poor, I am more comfortable in the private sector <\/p>
The salaries are low - but one of the compensations for lower salary can be employers trying harder in other ways to get and keep staff - which can mean more access to training and career development. The NHS may not be for you, but I think you definitely need to look at more than salary when choosing an employer. <\/p>
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Staff retention in the public sector is no better than the private and neither of them train. If you want to learn something you train yourself. \\\"}]},{\\\"type\\\":\\\"rich_embed_card\\\",\\\"children\\\":[{\\\"text\\\":\\\"\\\"}],\\\"dataSourceType\\\":\\\"url\\\",\\\"url\\\":\\\"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027344#Comment_80027344\\\",\\\"embedData\\\":{\\\"recordID\\\":80027344,\\\"recordType\\\":\\\"comment\\\",\\\"body\\\":\\\"What qualifications do you have? Many careers will not be open to you\/you will find it difficult to get anything other than a dead end job unless you have certain qualifications<\/p>\\\",\\\"bodyRaw\\\":\\\"[{\\\\\\\"type\\\\\\\":\\\\\\\"p\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\"children\\\\\\\":[{\\\\\\\"text\\\\\\\":\\\\\\\"What qualifications do you have? 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It's all about previous experience out there. Holding certain qualifications is usually the icing on the cake. \\\"}]},{\\\"type\\\":\\\"p\\\",\\\"children\\\":[{\\\"text\\\":\\\"I haven't had much luck to pursue an education as an adult. My plan is to study a degree later this year in management and digital technology. 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https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80028251#Comment_80028251No let me ask you this. What do YOU bring to the table? What does your company or organisation have to offer in terms of skills training. Or am I going to work for you and get hung out to dry in a year or two? Because that's happened too many times to count now, and I'm sick of taking the risk of working for companies, making them money and getting ditched. One time my performance alone was critical to the extension of a multimillion pound contract to my company. My reward? A £20 gift voucher. This is how people treat you when you're on the bottom. And they lost that contract after I left.
How am I supposed to get "demonstrable experience" when no one gives me the opportunity to get the demonstrable experience? That's a complete catch 22 so you can clear off with the "handed a job on a plate" attitude when I've seen countless relatives to managers get their careers handed to them and they aren't the most loyal picks either. Ridiculous.
The flips side is that the attitude you are displaying in the post above isn’t likely to endear you to anyone interviewing you. We know how desirable the jobs are, and don’t particularly need to sell it to anyone.1 -
Indeed. A change of attitude could change the future...for the better, in many respects.Scorpio33 said:To the OP.
You have had countless of good advice here, but you seem to be putting up various barriers as to why that advice won't work for you. You even assume people have had a leg up and ask what others have, which I find odd. You need to understand why are you doing this, as there is no need. It doens't help you. You need to drop the attitude.
In my opinion, you need:
1 - A vision of where you want to end up (even if it is completely unattainable). Think details of your ideal role. Look at it from the employers perspective and who they would want in that role, what experience they would need and what qualifications they would need.
2 - Take stock of where you are now. Don't be too hard on yourself - no one else does your job, so simple things you do every day you may not realise how vaulable that experience is. List it all down.
3 - Understand where the gap is between where you are now and your ideal role. Work out what you have not got.
4 - Research how you get the gap. As others have said, it may be a case of finding a role in a similar level, but different company & sector - to get you the experience you need. It may just be qualifications you need.
Unfortunately, without details of what 1 & 2, it is very difficult to judge (or advise) how you can get to where you want to be.
Also, if you find you then can't get to your ideal role, you can then think of what aspects of that role you would like and to seek these aspects in other roles. For example, I always wanted to be a singer/songwriter with a number 1 single. Realistically, the most I can hope for is working in an organisation with music around me. Not what I want, but at least it gives me aspects of what I want.
Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!1 -
If the OP is not a troll and this is their attitude to life and others, I can 100% see why they don't have the career they want.
Some brilliant advice on this thread.8 -
I agree, reading the OP's posts there is a combination of a huge sense of entitlement and a "woe me" attitude. They are 40, they already had more than two decades of adult life to gain qualification on their own initiative, they talk about studying for a PhD but they cannot even figure out which qualifications get them out of entry level jobs, every helpful answer is met with confrontation. I would not employ someone with an attitude like that and I do not know any other employers who would either.5
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Start doing a qualification (accountancy for example).
Join a really small company (20 or less employees), get noticed that way.
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Think you’re confusing the call centres of a sales environment with that of an emergency service, where there’s certainly no competition (let’s see if I can help more sick people, people needing police or fire than my colleague 🤔)Poisoncat said:I used to work for RBS in a call centre, after 12-18 months if you shown some promise they were pretty good at training you up to become a team leader. You then just had to wait for a position to come up.<\/p>Once you had that, you were then given a high grade, that grade was then transferrable to other departments where you could get a technical role or a assistant managers role in another part of the business (subject to an interview). <\/p>
Admittedly this was maybe 15 years ago so a lot could have changed. <\/p>","bodyRaw":"[{\"type\":\"p\",\"children\":[{\"text\":\"I used to work for RBS in a call centre, after 12-18 months if you shown some promise they were pretty good at training you up to become a team leader. You then just had to wait for a position to come up.\"}]},{\"type\":\"p\",\"children\":[{\"text\":\"Once you had that, you were then given a high grade, that grade was then transferrable to other departments where you could get a technical role or a assistant managers role in another part of the business (subject to an interview). \"}]},{\"type\":\"p\",\"children\":[{\"text\":\"Admittedly this was maybe 15 years ago so a lot could have changed. \"}]}]","format":"rich2","dateInserted":"2023-05-02T16:18:25+00:00","insertUser":{"userID":899871,"name":"ACG","title":"","url":"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/profile\/ACG","photoUrl":"https:\/\/us-noi.v-cdn.net\/6031891\/uploads\/defaultavatar\/nFA7H6UNOO0N5.jpg","dateLastActive":"2023-05-04T07:46:18+00:00","banned":0,"punished":0,"private":false,"label":"Forumite<\/b><\/span>"},"displayOptions":{"showUserLabel":false,"showCompactUserInfo":true,"showDiscussionLink":false,"showPostLink":false,"showCategoryLink":false,"renderFullContent":false,"expandByDefault":false},"url":"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027469#Comment_80027469","embedType":"quote","embedStyle":"rich_embed_card"}"> https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80027469#Comment_80027469
Fat chance! Call centres are extremely competitive environments where "promise" is not what you think. People who work in them today know what I'm talking about.
in your opening post you stated you were \"ready to do what it takes\", yet you say you are not willing to take a reduction in salary to help you along a route to a more fulfilling career. If you have the potential you say you have you will get training and possible career advancement if you were to join a large employer even with a lower salary.<\/p>","bodyRaw":"[{\"type\":\"p\",\"children\":[{\"text\":\"in your opening post you stated you were \\\"ready to do what it takes\\\", yet you say you are not willing to take a reduction in salary to help you along a route to a more fulfilling career. If you have the potential you say you have you will get training and possible career advancement if you were to join a large employer even with a lower salary.\"}]}]","format":"rich2","dateInserted":"2023-05-02T16:25:58+00:00","insertUser":{"userID":1849667,"name":"comeandgo","title":"","url":"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/profile\/comeandgo","photoUrl":"https:\/\/us-noi.v-cdn.net\/6031891\/uploads\/defaultavatar\/nFA7H6UNOO0N5.jpg","dateLastActive":"2023-05-04T16:22:52+00:00","banned":0,"punished":0,"private":false,"label":"Forumite<\/b><\/span>"},"displayOptions":{"showUserLabel":false,"showCompactUserInfo":true,"showDiscussionLink":false,"showPostLink":false,"showCategoryLink":false,"renderFullContent":false,"expandByDefault":false},"url":"https:\/\/forums.moneysavingexpert.com\/discussion\/comment\/80027502#Comment_80027502","embedType":"quote","embedStyle":"rich_embed_card"}">As others have said, it seems you’re anti every suggestion that’s been put forward.0
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