Those with solar - Appliances

1961Nick

waqasahmed said:

Raxiel said:

Funnily enough, while all our current appliances pre-date the solar, and they were almost all the most efficient available at the time.

There is one appliance that's been acting up and might need a replacement so I may well be looking again for the first time since the new system.

Our dishwasher came with the house and is at least 12 years old, probably more, it still does the job, mostly, but it's getting temperamental. A new inlet solenoid today didn't help, a new drain pump might, but if that doesn't work its probably something much more expensive and no longer economical to repair.

I'll still be after something with a high rating, for similar reasons to those already given. The impact having PV has on my choice of appliances though, is that while there's always an 'eco' mode, they still draw the same peak power, just over a shorter period. That means that unless there's a lot of sun, we still import a portion of it. An appliance that could modulate its power draw (particularly if it could smartly link to a PV system or smart meter) to avoid import would be attractive.

Mine only pre dates solar by about a month or so. That's because I bought my house in July 2022, and bought a load of stuff

Then I got solar after that

Miele does have this 

https://www.miele.co.uk/e/solarsave-zpv000000000000000020001904800-f

 For some of their dishwashers. Whilst not directly what you're saying, it does at least pre use some water that's already heated by solar. It's the closest I've seen to it tbf

Though, for me, the price is way too expensive. My tumble dryer and washing machine in fairness are Miele but I got my washing machine for £600 instead of £2200 and the tumble dryer I wanted is one that's got reverse action, and is A+++-10% rated, so I got that instead of an LG, largely because I don't quite trust Samsung and LG when it comes to appliances.

If Hotpoint or similar made it then I'd go with them despite being a "budget" brand. I trust Hotpoint and Beko over Samsung / LG. That's how little faith I have in them lol

I did also manage to get my dishwasher for £200 instead of £330 which is also decent.

If I used my dishwasher daily, then maybe I'd think otherwise. Instead, I just bought loads of dishes, to essentially use the dishes, bang them in the dishwasher and then there's still a load more left in the drawer

If I used my dishwasher daily, maybe I wouldn't have as many dishes and maybe I'd get something a lot more efficient instead 

I did consider the Miele hot fill washer, but after testing how long it took for hot water to reach it, I'm pretty sure that the only thing that would get hot is the pipework supplying it!. It was a bit pricey at £2999 as well.

paul991

when first got solar pv spent time looking for a hot fill washing machine straight off the immersion tank .There was only one on the market a small British company  went through the spec but the figures just didnt add up at the  time.

waqasahmed

1961Nick said:

waqasahmed said:

Raxiel said:

Funnily enough, while all our current appliances pre-date the solar, and they were almost all the most efficient available at the time.

There is one appliance that's been acting up and might need a replacement so I may well be looking again for the first time since the new system.

Our dishwasher came with the house and is at least 12 years old, probably more, it still does the job, mostly, but it's getting temperamental. A new inlet solenoid today didn't help, a new drain pump might, but if that doesn't work its probably something much more expensive and no longer economical to repair.

I'll still be after something with a high rating, for similar reasons to those already given. The impact having PV has on my choice of appliances though, is that while there's always an 'eco' mode, they still draw the same peak power, just over a shorter period. That means that unless there's a lot of sun, we still import a portion of it. An appliance that could modulate its power draw (particularly if it could smartly link to a PV system or smart meter) to avoid import would be attractive.

Mine only pre dates solar by about a month or so. That's because I bought my house in July 2022, and bought a load of stuff

Then I got solar after that

Miele does have this 

https://www.miele.co.uk/e/solarsave-zpv000000000000000020001904800-f

 For some of their dishwashers. Whilst not directly what you're saying, it does at least pre use some water that's already heated by solar. It's the closest I've seen to it tbf

Though, for me, the price is way too expensive. My tumble dryer and washing machine in fairness are Miele but I got my washing machine for £600 instead of £2200 and the tumble dryer I wanted is one that's got reverse action, and is A+++-10% rated, so I got that instead of an LG, largely because I don't quite trust Samsung and LG when it comes to appliances.

If Hotpoint or similar made it then I'd go with them despite being a "budget" brand. I trust Hotpoint and Beko over Samsung / LG. That's how little faith I have in them lol

I did also manage to get my dishwasher for £200 instead of £330 which is also decent.

If I used my dishwasher daily, then maybe I'd think otherwise. Instead, I just bought loads of dishes, to essentially use the dishes, bang them in the dishwasher and then there's still a load more left in the drawer

If I used my dishwasher daily, maybe I wouldn't have as many dishes and maybe I'd get something a lot more efficient instead 

I did consider the Miele hot fill washer, but after testing how long it took for hot water to reach it, I'm pretty sure that the only thing that would get hot is the pipework supplying it!. It was a bit pricey at £2999 as well.

If you're anywhere near the Manchester area, there's a guy who somewhat regularly gets Miele products at a much cheaper price. 

I got my washing machine for three times less than it should do for instance. 

silverwhistle

1961Nick said:

I did consider the Miele hot fill washer, but after testing how long it took for hot water to reach it, I'm pretty sure that the only thing that would get hot is the pipework supplying it!. It was a bit pricey at £2999 as well.

A bit?! When I have a surplus of PV generated hot water I sometimes use a watering can (without a rose!) to pour hot water direct through the soap tray, which also shortens the time of the cycle. It's actually a painless task even if it seems a faff.

As a single household I can't justify a tumble dryer, but if I can't use the outside washing line there's a heated airer which was cheap to buy from one of the German discounters, effective, and at 230 watts operates for a good duration during the period I have surplus PV available.

1961Nick

waqasahmed said:

1961Nick said:

waqasahmed said:

Raxiel said:

Funnily enough, while all our current appliances pre-date the solar, and they were almost all the most efficient available at the time.

There is one appliance that's been acting up and might need a replacement so I may well be looking again for the first time since the new system.

Our dishwasher came with the house and is at least 12 years old, probably more, it still does the job, mostly, but it's getting temperamental. A new inlet solenoid today didn't help, a new drain pump might, but if that doesn't work its probably something much more expensive and no longer economical to repair.

I'll still be after something with a high rating, for similar reasons to those already given. The impact having PV has on my choice of appliances though, is that while there's always an 'eco' mode, they still draw the same peak power, just over a shorter period. That means that unless there's a lot of sun, we still import a portion of it. An appliance that could modulate its power draw (particularly if it could smartly link to a PV system or smart meter) to avoid import would be attractive.

Mine only pre dates solar by about a month or so. That's because I bought my house in July 2022, and bought a load of stuff

Then I got solar after that

Miele does have this 

https://www.miele.co.uk/e/solarsave-zpv000000000000000020001904800-f

 For some of their dishwashers. Whilst not directly what you're saying, it does at least pre use some water that's already heated by solar. It's the closest I've seen to it tbf

Though, for me, the price is way too expensive. My tumble dryer and washing machine in fairness are Miele but I got my washing machine for £600 instead of £2200 and the tumble dryer I wanted is one that's got reverse action, and is A+++-10% rated, so I got that instead of an LG, largely because I don't quite trust Samsung and LG when it comes to appliances.

If Hotpoint or similar made it then I'd go with them despite being a "budget" brand. I trust Hotpoint and Beko over Samsung / LG. That's how little faith I have in them lol

I did also manage to get my dishwasher for £200 instead of £330 which is also decent.

If I used my dishwasher daily, then maybe I'd think otherwise. Instead, I just bought loads of dishes, to essentially use the dishes, bang them in the dishwasher and then there's still a load more left in the drawer

If I used my dishwasher daily, maybe I wouldn't have as many dishes and maybe I'd get something a lot more efficient instead 

I did consider the Miele hot fill washer, but after testing how long it took for hot water to reach it, I'm pretty sure that the only thing that would get hot is the pipework supplying it!. It was a bit pricey at £2999 as well.

If you're anywhere near the Manchester area, there's a guy who somewhat regularly gets Miele products at a much cheaper price. 

I got my washing machine for three times less than it should do for instance. 

I got the TD from the Miele outlet but had to pay full price for the matching WM. The WM had to be replaced after 7 months... so much for German engineering!

powerful_Rogue

Replaced washing machine and dishwaser in October before I had Solar PV installed. Both were old and had no timer function. Also purchases a heat pump tumble dryer to use instead of the old condenser tumble dryer. Probably spent just under £1000 to replace all three.

waqasahmed

powerful_Rogue said:

Replaced washing machine and dishwaser in October before I had Solar PV installed. Both were old and had no timer function. Also purchases a heat pump tumble dryer to use instead of the old condenser tumble dryer. Probably spent just under £1000 to replace all three.

Decent. I wanted the reverse action thingy because that saves even more power, even if it doesn't explicitly say so 

My washing machine is also a 1600 spin one, that's A rated because the higher the spin speed, the less time it requires in the tumble dryer 

70sbudgie

My new Miele washer dryer arrived this morning. It's lower energy consumption made it my wishful choice, but I didn't feel I could justify the cost. So I went for the second best. Which stopped working within 10 days. The ensuing customer services pain to getting that sorted pushed me back to the Miele (and a different retailer). Based on the standard data published, the reduction in running costs of the Miele should pay back the difference in purchase price within a couple years.

Screwdriva

70sbudgie said:

So I went for the second best. Which stopped working within 10 days. 

Which one did you go for that failed in 10 days? Does Miele do a built in washer dryer?

We just sold our 5 year old built in AEG washer dryer on to a home that needed it and purchased a replacement that washes/ drys 8/4kg but is rated at 705 Watts (vs. 1.05 kW of its predecessor). 

We ended up paying only a couple hundred quid at the end of it all. I often wonder if the 30% reduction in rated consumption is real world or the result of some sort of ratings scam. 

zeupater

waqasahmed said:

 
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I'd love to see more efficient TVs too. Samsung is getting there but HDR is still really quite inefficient. That's around 150w which is a lot imo

Hi

Changed our main TV from a plasma to ~50" LED about a decade ago mainly on energy efficiency grounds and, despite it's age, that only uses ~45W after setting up properly so I'm surprised that 150W would be considered typical nowadays ...

The published power consumption for TVs is based on test conditions utilising a standardised screen panel brightness which is probably considered too bright for typical domestic room settings, particularly in artificial lighting conditions when TVs are in most use .... although this figure is useful for comparing efficiencies between different models when purchasing, the only way to know what your TV typically consumes after being set-up for your own preferences is to measure consumption with something like an accurate in-line plug monitor and averaging power (energy/time), especially so if efficiency measures such as automated brightness control using eco-sensors etc are being employed ....

HTH - Z