Suspension from job and knock on effect for further employment

sheramber

Do you know they approached/received a reference from the previous employer or did they withdraw the offer on being told about the suspension?

The oerson she spoke to may not have wanted to say  to her   that would happen or may not have been the person to make the final decision.

Undervalued

Jobadvice said:

Yes, the investigation is continuing, my relative wishes to clear her name, and not have things left up in the air.

Although that is understandable it may be largely meaningless. As I mentioned, except in a very limited number of regulated occupations the employer is not obliged to provide a reference at all. She might be able to get them to agree provide a minimal bare bones reference but she has no lever to force this even if she is "cleared".

Clearly there is something significant going on here otherwise it is hard to see why they are going to this trouble.. However that significance may be to the firm or how it relates to another long standing member of staff. She worked there for a couple of weeks, was suspended and has now resigned so in many ways, from their point of view, problem solved.

Jobadvice

sheramber said:

Do you know they approached/received a reference from the previous employer or did they withdraw the offer on being told about the suspension?

The oerson she spoke to may not have wanted to say  to her   that would happen or may not have been the person to make the final decision.

Hi, yes they approached for a reference and the person she spoke to told her that they already had 2 great references for her. To cut a long story short she took them at their word. I'll be suggesting she request the SAR as advised earlier. It would be good to find out what was said. 

Alderbank

Jobadvice said:

sheramber said:

Do you know they approached/received a reference from the previous employer or did they withdraw the offer on being told about the suspension?

The oerson she spoke to may not have wanted to say  to her   that would happen or may not have been the person to make the final decision.

Hi, yes they approached for a reference and the person she spoke to told her that they already had 2 great references for her. To cut a long story short she took them at their word. I'll be suggesting she request the SAR as advised earlier. It would be good to find out what was said. 

Did you read and understand DullGreyGuy's post above?

'They can [request SAR] but it would be pointless as references are exempt from DSAR...'

Undervalued

Jobadvice said:

sheramber said:

Do you know they approached/received a reference from the previous employer or did they withdraw the offer on being told about the suspension?

The oerson she spoke to may not have wanted to say  to her   that would happen or may not have been the person to make the final decision.

Hi, yes they approached for a reference and the person she spoke to told her that they already had 2 great references for her. To cut a long story short she took them at their word. I'll be suggesting she request the SAR as advised earlier. It would be good to find out what was said. 

You really need to take note of all of the responses here, not just those that say what you want to hear!

As has been pointed out, references are now largely exempt from disclosure in a SAR. The regulations changed in that respect a few years ago.

Obviously she can still make a SAR and it is possible that the reference will be (wrongly) included. As this forum sadly demonstrates all too often, there are a lot of people with limited knowledge! 

Jobadvice

Undervalued - thank you for your input so far, it has been helpful. I would prefer it if you would communicate with me on this particular subject with more patience, compassion and understanding. If this is something you will find difficult to do, I would then ask you politely not to communicate with me at all. I came onto this forum genuinely seeking help, not exclamation marks and condescending comments. 

Undervalued

Jobadvice said:

Undervalued - thank you for your input so far, it has been helpful. I would prefer it if you would communicate with me on this particular subject with more patience, compassion and understanding. If this is something you will find difficult to do, I would then ask you politely not to communicate with me at all. I came onto this forum genuinely seeking help, not exclamation marks and condescending comments. 

I am glad you have found my input helpful.

My lack of patience is not with you but with the amount of wrong information which is frequently posted on this forum.

To be fair, the poster who originally suggested making a SAR is normally very good but was sadly out of date on this point. They were kind enough to thank me for pointing this out (towards the top of page two).

When someone, such as yourself, "came onto this forum genuinely seeking help" it is difficult for them to separate the facts from the fiction.  With a forum like this you have no means of knowing the experience or qualifications of anybody who responds and it is a natural human tendency to be more receptive to the things we want to hear. So it is important that any post which is believed to be wrong is challenged so that, at the very least, the person asking the question hears both sides. It is more difficult still when advice is asked on behalf of another person rather than directly by the person themselves.

I would suggest that if your relative wants to pursue this matter they seek professional and confidential legal advice from a solicitor.

Jobadvice

Undervalued said:

Jobadvice said:

Undervalued - thank you for your input so far, it has been helpful. I would prefer it if you would communicate with me on this particular subject with more patience, compassion and understanding. If this is something you will find difficult to do, I would then ask you politely not to communicate with me at all. I came onto this forum genuinely seeking help, not exclamation marks and condescending comments. 

I am glad you have found my input helpful.

My lack of patience is not with you but with the amount of wrong information which is frequently posted on this forum.

To be fair, the poster who originally suggested making a SAR is normally very good but was sadly out of date on this point. They were kind enough to thank me for pointing this out (towards the top of page two).

When someone, such as yourself, "came onto this forum genuinely seeking help" it is difficult for them to separate the facts from the fiction.  With a forum like this you have no means of knowing the experience or qualifications of anybody who responds and it is a natural human tendency to be more receptive to the things we want to hear. So it is important that any post which is believed to be wrong is challenged so that, at the very least, the person asking the question hears both sides. It is more difficult still when advice is asked on behalf of another person rather than directly by the person themselves.

I would suggest that if your relative wants to pursue this matter they seek professional and confidential legal advice from a solicitor.

Thank you, yes we will be seeking professional and confidential legal advice from a solicitor. We thought it best to wait until after the investigation, in the hope that we will have more information.

cr1mson

I think your family member needs to focus on looking forward rather than backward. It is unlikely that new employer will change decision and what happens if you request a get copy of reference anyway? Highly likely that could say something like X worked for us for X weeks and resigned whilst they were suspended none of which is factually incorrect so no further forward. Or even if old employer has said something that was factually incorrect new employer is unlikely to re-offer as probably have someone else lined up.

Best bet I would argue is to try and engage with old employer to resolve investigation and try and get a reference agreed to avoid a repeat of this and start looking for another job. Good luck.

Jobadvice

cr1mson said:

I think your family member needs to focus on looking forward rather than backward. It is unlikely that new employer will change decision and what happens if you request a get copy of reference anyway? Highly likely that could say something like X worked for us for X weeks and resigned whilst they were suspended none of which is factually incorrect so no further forward. Or even if old employer has said something that was factually incorrect new employer is unlikely to re-offer as probably have someone else lined up.

Best bet I would argue is to try and engage with old employer to resolve investigation and try and get a reference agreed to avoid a repeat of this and start looking for another job. Good luck.

I agree. Thank you so much for your help and understanding.