SIP Parking PCN for a misleading parking ticket sign

palegreenghost

Coupon-mad said:

But you didn't because you won't be paying.

It reads as if you didn't expect the appeal to be rejected.  We knew it would be!  Yet you are reading it as if if matters.  It doesn't.

What defense do I have if I messed up and didn't pay the correct price? Other than I have ADHD and constantly make mistakes because of inattentiveness. I honestly feel embarrassed and dejected that I didn't know at any point that I'd paid the incorrect amount until now and been so sure of myself this entire time.

Coupon-mad

Why do you believe them?

Why do you think you messed up?

You have a solid defence.  We win cases!

palegreenghost

Temporarily removing post until this is settled 

Coupon-mad

Same sign? 

palegreenghost

Temporarily removing post until this is settled

nopcns

Whilst SIP are IPC members, the IPC CoP states the following with regards to changes to any terms at the parking location:

Changes in Operator’s Terms and Conditions
Where there is any change to any pre-existing terms and conditions that would not be immediately apparent to a person visiting the Car Park and which materially affects the Motorist the Operator should place additional (temporary) notices at the entrance making it clear that new terms and conditions/charges apply, such that regular visitors who may be familiar with the old terms do not inadvertently incur Parking Charges. Notices should be in addition to the signage ordinarily required and left in place for an appropriate period.

Typical of the IPCs incestuous cartel practices, they do not define "appropriate period". However, for the purposes of a defence, it could be argued that both their rival ATA and the DLUHC incoming PPCoP state that an appropriate period should be no less than 4 months.

As they harp on about the incoming PPCoP in their intro and how they are amending their own CoP to adapt to the incoming guidance, you should show it.

The PPCoP guidance states:

3.4 Material change – notices

Where there is any material change to any pre-existing terms and conditions that would not be immediately apparent to a driver entering controlled land that is or has been open for public parking, the parking operator must place additional (temporary) notices at the site entrance for a period of not less than 4 months from the date of the change making it clear that new terms and conditions/charges apply, such that regular visitors who might be familiar with the old terms do not inadvertently incur parking charges.

The BPA CoP states:

Material change – notices

19.10 Where there is any material change to any pre-existing terms and conditions that would not be immediately apparent to a motorist entering controlled land that is or has been open for public parking, you must place additional (temporary) notices at the site entrance for a period of not less than 4 months from the date of the change making it clear that new terms and conditions/charges apply, such that regular visitors who might be familiar with the old terms do not inadvertently incur parking charges.

palegreenghost

That's brightened my mood to read that, I must admit!

The lack of a definition of what an appropriate period is complicates things but it's really helpful to know, thank you! I wonder if they had any additional temporary notices placed at all for any amount of time...

nopcns

palegreenghost said:

That's brightened my mood to read that, I must admit!

The lack of a definition of what an appropriate period is complicates things but it's really helpful to know, thank you! I wonder if they had any additional temporary notices placed at all for any amount of time...

If you didn't notice them, they probably were not there. The Claimant will be put to strict proof that they were there.

Coupon-mad

Did you pay at a machine? Presumably the machine gave you the impression you could pay a fiver?  How did you pay?

palegreenghost

Coupon-mad said:

Did you pay at a machine? Presumably the machine gave you the impression you could pay a fiver?  How did you pay?

I paid at the machine. I entered the car reg, put £5 in coins into the machine and pushed the button to print the ticket off, then displayed it in my car. 

I remember checking the parking prices online and everything pointed to it being £5 for 12 hours. I specifically chose somewhere with an extended stay so I wouldn't have to worry about being late back to the car and getting a ticket ironically.