Penalty Fares

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  • diystarter7
    diystarter7 Posts: 5,202 Forumite
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    edited 13 December 2022 at 12:09AM
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    soolin said:
    yorkie2 said:
    baser999 said:
    Isn’t it more a case that everyone should have paid, or be carrying some form of old age or freedom pass when travelling? 

    Penalty fares have been issued for all sorts of dubious reasons, such as being on the wrong train on an otherwise perfectly valid ticket, boarding a train when no facility to purchase a ticket existed, and more.

    The rail industry needs to be brought to account and a big review is needed
    I can’t quite see how the first example works, you either have a valid ticket for that train or you don’t. I know there are lines with 2 operators with different prices, I use one regularly and people often try boarding the faster non stop trains with one operator , using a cheaper ticket from the other slower service, but then there are constant (and rather annoying) tannoy announcements about checking your ticket . There isn’t anything dubious about it though, you need the correct ticket for the train otherwise you face a penalty fare. Likewise buying say an off peak cheap ticket and using it on a peak train would also be chargeable. 

    I am also rather offended at the suggestion in the OP that age somehow makes us unable to understand the need to use a valid ticket. 


    Hi

    @soolin
    The highlighted who said that and where?
    Thanks
  • giraffe69
    giraffe69 Posts: 3,562 Forumite
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    @soolin
    The highlighted who said that and where?
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    Who=OP Where=in op Look at the reference to forgetful old people.
  • diystarter7
    diystarter7 Posts: 5,202 Forumite
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    edited 13 December 2022 at 5:53PM
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    giraffe69 said:

    @soolin
    The highlighted who said that and where?
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    Who=OP Where=in op Look at the reference to forgetful old people.
    @giraffe69

     OP did not say that.

    OP stated, "so that forgetful pensioners like me, ."

    Really sorry but I looked at every word in the OP and you chose to help but I can't still see that. So where is it, please?

    Thanks

  • SergeantBaker
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    giraffe69 said:

    @soolin
    The highlighted who said that and where?
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    Who=OP Where=in op Look at the reference to forgetful old people.
    @giraffe69

     OP did not say that.

    OP stated, "so that forgetful pensioners like me, ."

    Really sorry but I looked at every word in the OP and you chose to help but I can't still see that. So where is it, please?

    Thanks

    Do you have young pensioners?
  • daveyjp
    daveyjp Posts: 12,603 Forumite
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    edited 13 December 2022 at 6:47PM
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    New regs relate to an increase in the Penalty amount.  Up to £100, plus cost of ticket reduced to £50, plus ticket cost, for prompt payment,

    The arguments around whether the circumstances dictate a PF should be issued will continue!


  • Brie
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    Do you have young pensioners?
    Yes - relatively young people may have pensions for a variety of reasons.  Might be due to entitlement following the death of a parent (orphan pensions) or due to a disability or extreme illness (ill health pension.)  Orphan pensioners tend to be younger, generally under 25 as an ill health pension is only granted to someone who has themselves been working for some time - but potentially may still be in their 20s.
    "Never retract, never explain, never apologise; get things done and let them howl.”
  • diystarter7
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    Brie said:

    Do you have young pensioners?
    Yes - relatively young people may have pensions for a variety of reasons.  Might be due to entitlement following the death of a parent (orphan pensions) or due to a disability or extreme illness (ill health pension.)  Orphan pensioners tend to be younger, generally under 25 as an ill health pension is only granted to someone who has themselves been working for some time - but potentially may still be in their 20s.
    Hi

    Incredible post and one of the best responses I've seen in a long time and a credit to MSE forums:smile:

    I'm learning so much at times on this site thanks to guys like you.



    :)


  • alidai
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    Brie said:

    Do you have young pensioners?
    Yes - relatively young people may have pensions for a variety of reasons.  Might be due to entitlement following the death of a parent (orphan pensions) or due to a disability or extreme illness (ill health pension.)  Orphan pensioners tend to be younger, generally under 25 as an ill health pension is only granted to someone who has themselves been working for some time - but potentially may still be in their 20s.
    Hi

    Incredible post and one of the best responses I've seen in a long time and a credit to MSE forums:smile:

    I'm learning so much at times on this site thanks to guys like you.



    :)


    Really? You mean the incredibly pedantic response when it was clear the comment was referring to people “of pensionable age”


  • cheshirelabrador
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    What some travelers don't understand is that some stations don't have ticket offices or even machines. But these days you can buy a ticket on your smartphone. But not everyone has a smartphone and occasional users are used to buying a ticket from the guard. 
    For a very long time it's been the case that you are supposed to buy from the ticket office or machine, if one is available. However, many guards have just happily issued tickets to anyone without even asking why they didn't buy first or warning them that other guards may not be as lenient.

    The availability of an app is treated the same way as the availability of paper tickets by post. The service is available and you may choose to use it but you aren't forced to.
  • bap98189
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    What some travelers don't understand is that some stations don't have ticket offices or even machines. But these days you can buy a ticket on your smartphone. But not everyone has a smartphone and occasional users are used to buying a ticket from the guard. 
    The process has changed a lot in recent years 
    It also doesn't help that different areas of the country enfore penalty fares differently. I travel regularly from Cheshire to Manchester and have never seen a conductor issue a penalty fare. It is normal practice for people to get on the train and then buy a ticket, or indeed buy one at the barriers in Manchester. But travel down south and the rules are enforced to the letter. 
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