Funeral Bank Holiday, work closed, forced holiday

Ath_Wat

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Marcon said:

JReacher1 said:

Sounds like he has a bad employer. Personally I would look for another job. 

Just think how that would sound to a prospective employer if you gave that as the reason for leaving.

I think a lack of flexibility over holiday days is an acceptable reason to seek a new job. 

It’s strange that you don’t think it is 

It's a bit strange that knowing nothing other than that, you would suggest looking for a new job.  He might be on £100K a year for 4hours a day, 3 days a week.  But that's fine, he should get a new job because they want him to take a day's holiday for this.

I accept some people (you for instance) are happy to have their holidays dictated to them by their employer but as the OP has come on this forum to ask for help it doesn’t sound like they are one of them. 

Personally I think the ability to choose when to take your own holidays is key (teachers excluded obviously) so I would leave a job that forced me to take certain days as holidays. 

Really?  Regardless of all else, this single point would mean you'd change jobs?  Even if everything else was perfect, and the company regularly went out of their way to make you happy, you'd leave instantly because they said you had to take a day's holiday for the Queen's funeral?

Not leave instantly. I would look for another job and then when I secured it would leave. 

You’ve done what most people on the internet do which is create a fake scenario about the OP’s husbands employer which is clearly not the case here. A company that either forces you to take holiday or a day unpaid due to the funeral of the queen is not an employer that cares about its employees. 

You can't possibly assert that conclusion from that evidence.  I have had great employers who have done little things I disagree with; I am sure a lot of people have.

The only person creating a fake scenario is you, who has positively asserted that you would look for another job, on the basis of a conclusion you have come to from flimsy evidence.

All anyone else is saying is that is not necessarily the case.  You are sure it is, everyone else says we don't have enough information to know.

Now, if your claim is that you would look for another job if this happened to you in your current employment, then of course you are the only one in a position to know that - we don't know how bad your current job might or might not be, and it might well be that this little thing tips you over the edge if you are already unsatisfied with it.  But that's not what you said.  

JReacher1

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Marcon said:

JReacher1 said:

Sounds like he has a bad employer. Personally I would look for another job. 

Just think how that would sound to a prospective employer if you gave that as the reason for leaving.

I think a lack of flexibility over holiday days is an acceptable reason to seek a new job. 

It’s strange that you don’t think it is 

It's a bit strange that knowing nothing other than that, you would suggest looking for a new job.  He might be on £100K a year for 4hours a day, 3 days a week.  But that's fine, he should get a new job because they want him to take a day's holiday for this.

I accept some people (you for instance) are happy to have their holidays dictated to them by their employer but as the OP has come on this forum to ask for help it doesn’t sound like they are one of them. 

Personally I think the ability to choose when to take your own holidays is key (teachers excluded obviously) so I would leave a job that forced me to take certain days as holidays. 

Really?  Regardless of all else, this single point would mean you'd change jobs?  Even if everything else was perfect, and the company regularly went out of their way to make you happy, you'd leave instantly because they said you had to take a day's holiday for the Queen's funeral?

Not leave instantly. I would look for another job and then when I secured it would leave. 

You’ve done what most people on the internet do which is create a fake scenario about the OP’s husbands employer which is clearly not the case here. A company that either forces you to take holiday or a day unpaid due to the funeral of the queen is not an employer that cares about its employees. 

You can't possibly assert that conclusion from that evidence.  I have had great employers who have done little things I disagree with; I am sure a lot of people have.

The only person creating a fake scenario is you, who has positively asserted that you would look for another job, on the basis of a conclusion you have come to from flimsy evidence.

All anyone else is saying is that is not necessarily the case.  You are sure it is, everyone else says we don't have enough information to know.

Now, if your claim is that you would look for another job if this happened to you in your current employment, then of course you are the only one in a position to know that - we don't know how bad your current job might or might not be, and it might well be that this little thing tips you over the edge if you are already unsatisfied with it.  But that's not what you said.  

You don't tend to go on a forum to complain about things like this if you have a good employer.  You would speak to your employer not strangers on a forum.  The OP's husbands company is going against what seems to be becoming standard amongst many companies for this BH so I would say the evidence does indicate they are a bad employer.

As a matter of interest what is your advice for the OP?  I have given my advice e.g. look for a job with a better employer.  Your advice appears to be to do nothing and just accept this.  Is that correct?

billy2shots

Popping in with my business owner hat on.  


I need 3 members of staff on duty at all times of the day (2 during the night). 

I had planned some training for Monday so actually had 5 members of day staff (myself makes 6) scheduled to work. The 5 staff totaled 50 hours.

Suddenly that now became 50 hours at time and a half wages. This was nothing I could foresee. 
In the same week my predicted annual energy cost was estimated to rise by £27,000!!!

I could keep all 5 staff in place for Monday but then I could also work in this lacks manner and go out of business resulting in 20 people needing new jobs. 

I've never done it before (22 years of employing people in the business) but I had to tactfully give 2 staff members annual leave for Monday. 

My liability is now 36 hours of staff time at time and a half rather than 50. 

MSE is predominantly populated by

 employees. I would love to be in a position of just thinking about myself, however as employer's we have duties to safeguard the bigger picture i.e keep the business going, keep people employed, meet all financial obligations even though we are getting shat on each week by something new. 

Ath_Wat

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Ath_Wat said:

JReacher1 said:

Marcon said:

JReacher1 said:

Sounds like he has a bad employer. Personally I would look for another job. 

Just think how that would sound to a prospective employer if you gave that as the reason for leaving.

I think a lack of flexibility over holiday days is an acceptable reason to seek a new job. 

It’s strange that you don’t think it is 

It's a bit strange that knowing nothing other than that, you would suggest looking for a new job.  He might be on £100K a year for 4hours a day, 3 days a week.  But that's fine, he should get a new job because they want him to take a day's holiday for this.

I accept some people (you for instance) are happy to have their holidays dictated to them by their employer but as the OP has come on this forum to ask for help it doesn’t sound like they are one of them. 

Personally I think the ability to choose when to take your own holidays is key (teachers excluded obviously) so I would leave a job that forced me to take certain days as holidays. 

Really?  Regardless of all else, this single point would mean you'd change jobs?  Even if everything else was perfect, and the company regularly went out of their way to make you happy, you'd leave instantly because they said you had to take a day's holiday for the Queen's funeral?

Not leave instantly. I would look for another job and then when I secured it would leave. 

You’ve done what most people on the internet do which is create a fake scenario about the OP’s husbands employer which is clearly not the case here. A company that either forces you to take holiday or a day unpaid due to the funeral of the queen is not an employer that cares about its employees. 

You can't possibly assert that conclusion from that evidence.  I have had great employers who have done little things I disagree with; I am sure a lot of people have.

The only person creating a fake scenario is you, who has positively asserted that you would look for another job, on the basis of a conclusion you have come to from flimsy evidence.

All anyone else is saying is that is not necessarily the case.  You are sure it is, everyone else says we don't have enough information to know.

Now, if your claim is that you would look for another job if this happened to you in your current employment, then of course you are the only one in a position to know that - we don't know how bad your current job might or might not be, and it might well be that this little thing tips you over the edge if you are already unsatisfied with it.  But that's not what you said.  

You don't tend to go on a forum to complain about things like this if you have a good employer.  You would speak to your employer not strangers on a forum.  The OP's husbands company is going against what seems to be becoming standard amongst many companies for this BH so I would say the evidence does indicate they are a bad employer.

As a matter of interest what is your advice for the OP?  I have given my advice e.g. look for a job with a better employer.  Your advice appears to be to do nothing and just accept this.  Is that correct?

People often ask questions about one thing to see if there is anything they can do about it.  The answer in this case is no, not really.

They didn't ask for advice on whether to stay or go, of course, but my advice would be for them to weigh this against all the other things you and I have absolutely no knowledge about before doing anything drastic.    Your advice is to find a different job, regardless of how much they love this one, is that correct?   Previously you just said it's what you would do but you've now changed it to direct advice to the OP to leave.

Grumpy_chap

I am not sure that I totally agree with the posts saying to not pay for the extra Bank Holiday is a sign of a bad employer.

It would be great if all employers can and do pay those staff, but what if the employer cannot viably meet that expense (without the associated income that would ordinarily result from the working time)?

A full time employee would be typically budgeted on around 200 - 220 working days per year.
This year there will now have been two additional Bank Holidays over and above the normal planning expectation.
That is 1% of the planned working time.

The businesses are also facing higher salary increases this year with the expectation of higher salary increases next year, plus energy cost increases, plus raw material / input product increases, etc.  Lot's of demands on the business.

Lots of demands on individuals too, but those demands are not best met by an employer meeting the costs of another day of unpaid work and placing the viability of the business in question.

Allowing the time off from annual leave may, in some cases, be the only sensible decision that could be taken.

lisyloo

I agree but in that case that should be explained to people and if necessary communicated in person or by managers.
so much better if people understand the justification.