Failed Vetting due to criminal record help

mymiddlenameisanoun

catt20 said:

So basically I have applied to work at prison and passed everything apart from vetting, I received my feed back yesterday which stated I failed due to having criminal offence/offences on the national police data base, when filling out vetting I did put no as I didn’t think anything was going to show up nor did I think I had a criminal record as I was a juvenile (under 18) I can’t really remember what even happened (I’m over the age of 30 now) so my questions are has anyone else been in a similar situation? Is it worth appealing against there decision? Any help or advise would be much appreciated also I have emailed my local police station and asked them to send me a copy of what’s on the national police database in my name as I feel it’s irrelevant to my life anymore and stopping me from getting jobs, I’m going to try and get them to delete it.

I think its a case of tradition beats what you think in this instance. Anything to do with law enforcement or corrections usually begins with the people doing the correcting not having been on the wrong side of the law in the past. I believe its something to do with mind set but I am not 100% on that. It is totally up to you if you wish to appeal it however, you really are going to have to want this job because it wont be a quick process. It is something you're going to have to have a serious think about, maybe it would be best to move on to a different career path. ( I cant answer that for you) For what it is worth I believe that an offense commit as a minor should be ignored as you have clearly grown from it and learnt. Sadly its a very traditional institution to try and change the mind of and I don't think I would have what it takes to achieve that. But maybe you have got more umph than me. 
Best of luck

elsien

mymiddlenameisanoun said:

catt20 said:

So basically I have applied to work at prison and passed everything apart from vetting, I received my feed back yesterday which stated I failed due to having criminal offence/offences on the national police data base, when filling out vetting I did put no as I didn’t think anything was going to show up nor did I think I had a criminal record as I was a juvenile (under 18) I can’t really remember what even happened (I’m over the age of 30 now) so my questions are has anyone else been in a similar situation? Is it worth appealing against there decision? Any help or advise would be much appreciated also I have emailed my local police station and asked them to send me a copy of what’s on the national police database in my name as I feel it’s irrelevant to my life anymore and stopping me from getting jobs, I’m going to try and get them to delete it.

I think its a case of tradition beats what you think in this instance. Anything to do with law enforcement or corrections usually begins with the people doing the correcting not having been on the wrong side of the law in the past. I believe its something to do with mind set but I am not 100% on that. It is totally up to you if you wish to appeal it however, you really are going to have to want this job because it wont be a quick process. It is something you're going to have to have a serious think about, maybe it would be best to move on to a different career path. ( I cant answer that for you) For what it is worth I believe that an offense commit as a minor should be ignored as you have clearly grown from it and learnt. Sadly its a very traditional institution to try and change the mind of and I don't think I would have what it takes to achieve that. But maybe you have got more umph than me. 
Best of luck

As other people have pointed out, the offence may well have not been taken into account had the OP been upfront in their application. This isn’t about traditional occupations mind set, it’s about honesty and taking responsibility. 

Norman_Castle

catt20 said:

So basically I have applied to work at prison and passed everything apart from vetting, I received my feed back yesterday which stated I failed due to having criminal offence/offences on the national police data base, when filling out vetting I did put no as I didn’t think anything was going to show up nor did I think I had a criminal record as I was a juvenile (under 18) I can’t really remember what even happened (I’m over the age of 30 now) so my questions are has anyone else been in a similar situation? Is it worth appealing against there decision? Any help or advise would be much appreciated also I have emailed my local police station and asked them to send me a copy of what’s on the national police database in my name as I feel it’s irrelevant to my life anymore and stopping me from getting jobs, I’m going to try and get them to delete it.

You should have taken advice on what was on record and what you needed to declare. The fact you said no makes you look either dishonest or clueless as to whats expected of you which isn't ideal for a prison officer.

You thinking a conviction is irrelevant doesn't matter. The rehabilitation of offenders act allows you to move on from spent convictions but enhanced disclosure applies for jobs where previous convictions can be relevant. I had one friend who had drug convictions who went on to be a probation officer. The employer will decide the relevance of convictions.

Mr.Generous

I'm 57 yrs old, I had a police caution age 16. I remember it quite well. My Dad had to go with me  to the cop shop, so I got it from him as well.

The offence?

Retaining hold of motor vehicle while in motion.

I was on my moped, and grabbed the rack on my mates moped and gently applied my brakes so that when he tried to go faster (on a moped??) he couldn't. I thought it was funny. I should however, have used my mirrors, as the panda car behind me didn't think it was funny at all.

My point is I can remember it quite well, and I don't think it would stand in my way for many careers.

tifo

When a criminal check is done the DBS usually send you a copy of the record so you should have received this.

lincroft1710

Mr.Generous said:

I'm 57 yrs old, I had a police caution age 16. I remember it quite well. My Dad had to go with me  to the cop shop, so I got it from him as well.

The offence?

Retaining hold of motor vehicle while in motion.

I was on my moped, and grabbed the rack on my mates moped and gently applied my brakes so that when he tried to go faster (on a moped??) he couldn't. I thought it was funny. I should however, have used my mirrors, as the panda car behind me didn't think it was funny at all.

My point is I can remember it quite well, and I don't think it would stand in my way for many careers.

And the most important lesson from this episode - always look in your mirror before attempting any manoeuvre with a motor vehicle.

Sewn

I work in a prison, prison clearances are a separate process to DBS check, both will highlight any conviction/caution. You will not get past this now and the main reason is your omission of disclosure, if you had a convicton for theft of a paper clip but was open and honest about it then it would likely have resulted in an interview to discuss the original offence and probable offer of employment still. The fact you didn't disclose it, regardless of the reason puts your honesty and integrity into question, both of which are absolutely necessary for working with prisoners, not just from the threat of manipulation and coercion.

You just will need to learn from this for the future

superbigal

Agree with above. My friend was a Prison officer and is now a serving Detective.  Silly convictions as a lad for Drunk in Public.  Declared no problem.

catt20

mymiddlenameisanoun said:

catt20 said:

So basically I have applied to work at prison and passed everything apart from vetting, I received my feed back yesterday which stated I failed due to having criminal offence/offences on the national police data base, when filling out vetting I did put no as I didn’t think anything was going to show up nor did I think I had a criminal record as I was a juvenile (under 18) I can’t really remember what even happened (I’m over the age of 30 now) so my questions are has anyone else been in a similar situation? Is it worth appealing against there decision? Any help or advise would be much appreciated also I have emailed my local police station and asked them to send me a copy of what’s on the national police database in my name as I feel it’s irrelevant to my life anymore and stopping me from getting jobs, I’m going to try and get them to delete it.

I think its a case of tradition beats what you think in this instance. Anything to do with law enforcement or corrections usually begins with the people doing the correcting not having been on the wrong side of the law in the past. I believe its something to do with mind set but I am not 100% on that. It is totally up to you if you wish to appeal it however, you really are going to have to want this job because it wont be a quick process. It is something you're going to have to have a serious think about, maybe it would be best to move on to a different career path. ( I cant answer that for you) For what it is worth I believe that an offense commit as a minor should be ignored as you have clearly grown from it and learnt. Sadly its a very traditional institution to try and change the mind of and I don't think I would have what it takes to achieve that. But maybe you have got more umph than me. 
Best of luck

Thanks for everyone’s response, turns out they had me mixed up with someone else and I got my clearance! Just waiting for a start date

SusieT

catt20 said:

mymiddlenameisanoun said:

catt20 said:

So basically I have applied to work at prison and passed everything apart from vetting, I received my feed back yesterday which stated I failed due to having criminal offence/offences on the national police data base, when filling out vetting I did put no as I didn’t think anything was going to show up nor did I think I had a criminal record as I was a juvenile (under 18) I can’t really remember what even happened (I’m over the age of 30 now) so my questions are has anyone else been in a similar situation? Is it worth appealing against there decision? Any help or advise would be much appreciated also I have emailed my local police station and asked them to send me a copy of what’s on the national police database in my name as I feel it’s irrelevant to my life anymore and stopping me from getting jobs, I’m going to try and get them to delete it.

I think its a case of tradition beats what you think in this instance. Anything to do with law enforcement or corrections usually begins with the people doing the correcting not having been on the wrong side of the law in the past. I believe its something to do with mind set but I am not 100% on that. It is totally up to you if you wish to appeal it however, you really are going to have to want this job because it wont be a quick process. It is something you're going to have to have a serious think about, maybe it would be best to move on to a different career path. ( I cant answer that for you) For what it is worth I believe that an offense commit as a minor should be ignored as you have clearly grown from it and learnt. Sadly its a very traditional institution to try and change the mind of and I don't think I would have what it takes to achieve that. But maybe you have got more umph than me. 
Best of luck

Thanks for everyone’s response, turns out they had me mixed up with someone else and I got my clearance! Just waiting for a start date

That is good news, thank you for coming back and updating