Issues with promotion

RosesRRed1

I started a new role back in December, the role is a grade above,  payrise, more responsibility in a different sector of the business. At the time there were discussions about me taking the job as a secondment for 3 months to see how it goes but nothing was ever formally agreed and more of a passing conversation. 

I was in the role for 6 weeks before I called HR to ask if I would have a change of contract or 'promotion letter', I was told at the time there were changes coming to everyone's contract and these would need to be competed before my contract would be looked at. 6 months later I am still awaiting something in writing and a payrise, finally this month everyone's contracts have been sorted although, this change were already on my contract from my previous role. 

I am here asking for guidance, I have spoken to my manager who has no control or authority. The HR business partner who i have spoken to 4/5 times about this now seems annoyed, unintrested and gives excuses 'it has to be signed of with everyone elses by the director' basically passes blame. I was told by my manager that my pay would be backdated but I don't think this is the case. We all have to pay bills and in the current circumstances a 20%+ payrise is a big deal. How long should I keep waiting for my contract/ T&C changes and what should I do about back pay?

If I had known this wouldn't have sorted out within 6 months I wouldn't have taken the role.

TELLIT01

How long have you been with the company? 

Jaybee_16

RosesRRed1 said:

I started a new role back in December, the role is a grade above,  payrise, more responsibility in a different sector of the business. At the time there were discussions about me taking the job as a secondment for 3 months to see how it goes but nothing was ever formally agreed and more of a passing conversation. 

I was in the role for 6 weeks before I called HR to ask if I would have a change of contract or 'promotion letter', I was told at the time there were changes coming to everyone's contract and these would need to be competed before my contract would be looked at. 6 months later I am still awaiting something in writing and a payrise, finally this month everyone's contracts have been sorted although, this change were already on my contract from my previous role. 

I am here asking for guidance, I have spoken to my manager who has no control or authority. The HR business partner who i have spoken to 4/5 times about this now seems annoyed, unintrested and gives excuses 'it has to be signed of with everyone elses by the director' basically passes blame. I was told by my manager that my pay would be backdated but I don't think this is the case. We all have to pay bills and in the current circumstances a 20%+ payrise is a big deal. How long should I keep waiting for my contract/ T&C changes and what should I do about back pay?

If I had known this wouldn't have sorted out within 6 months I wouldn't have taken the role.

So at the moment, you don't know whether you are in a permanent role or secondment?

You need to stop having discussions with various people and start creating an audit trail should anything go wrong. People may deny discussions or have different recollections to you if problems arise.

Send an email to HR and your manager detailing your understanding of the situation, you are in a permanent role at a salary of £X, and this salary is to be backdated to whatever the start date was. 

RosesRRed1

Jaybee_16 said:

RosesRRed1 said:

I started a new role back in December, the role is a grade above,  payrise, more responsibility in a different sector of the business. At the time there were discussions about me taking the job as a secondment for 3 months to see how it goes but nothing was ever formally agreed and more of a passing conversation. 

I was in the role for 6 weeks before I called HR to ask if I would have a change of contract or 'promotion letter', I was told at the time there were changes coming to everyone's contract and these would need to be competed before my contract would be looked at. 6 months later I am still awaiting something in writing and a payrise, finally this month everyone's contracts have been sorted although, this change were already on my contract from my previous role. 

I am here asking for guidance, I have spoken to my manager who has no control or authority. The HR business partner who i have spoken to 4/5 times about this now seems annoyed, unintrested and gives excuses 'it has to be signed of with everyone elses by the director' basically passes blame. I was told by my manager that my pay would be backdated but I don't think this is the case. We all have to pay bills and in the current circumstances a 20%+ payrise is a big deal. How long should I keep waiting for my contract/ T&C changes and what should I do about back pay?

If I had known this wouldn't have sorted out within 6 months I wouldn't have taken the role.

So at the moment, you don't know whether you are in a permanent role or secondment?

You need to stop having discussions with various people and start creating an audit trail should anything go wrong. People may deny discussions or have different recollections to you if problems arise.

Send an email to HR and your manager detailing your understanding of the situation, you are in a permanent role at a salary of £X, and this salary is to be backdated to whatever the start date was. 

TELLIT01 said:

How long have you been with the company? 

Coming up to 9 years 

RosesRRed1

Jaybee_16 said:

RosesRRed1 said:

I started a new role back in December, the role is a grade above,  payrise, more responsibility in a different sector of the business. At the time there were discussions about me taking the job as a secondment for 3 months to see how it goes but nothing was ever formally agreed and more of a passing conversation. 

I was in the role for 6 weeks before I called HR to ask if I would have a change of contract or 'promotion letter', I was told at the time there were changes coming to everyone's contract and these would need to be competed before my contract would be looked at. 6 months later I am still awaiting something in writing and a payrise, finally this month everyone's contracts have been sorted although, this change were already on my contract from my previous role. 

I am here asking for guidance, I have spoken to my manager who has no control or authority. The HR business partner who i have spoken to 4/5 times about this now seems annoyed, unintrested and gives excuses 'it has to be signed of with everyone elses by the director' basically passes blame. I was told by my manager that my pay would be backdated but I don't think this is the case. We all have to pay bills and in the current circumstances a 20%+ payrise is a big deal. How long should I keep waiting for my contract/ T&C changes and what should I do about back pay?

If I had known this wouldn't have sorted out within 6 months I wouldn't have taken the role.

So at the moment, you don't know whether you are in a permanent role or secondment?

You need to stop having discussions with various people and start creating an audit trail should anything go wrong. People may deny discussions or have different recollections to you if problems arise.

Send an email to HR and your manager detailing your understanding of the situation, you are in a permanent role at a salary of £X, and this salary is to be backdated to whatever the start date was. 

Jaybee_16 said:

RosesRRed1 said:

I started a new role back in December, the role is a grade above,  payrise, more responsibility in a different sector of the business. At the time there were discussions about me taking the job as a secondment for 3 months to see how it goes but nothing was ever formally agreed and more of a passing conversation. 

I was in the role for 6 weeks before I called HR to ask if I would have a change of contract or 'promotion letter', I was told at the time there were changes coming to everyone's contract and these would need to be competed before my contract would be looked at. 6 months later I am still awaiting something in writing and a payrise, finally this month everyone's contracts have been sorted although, this change were already on my contract from my previous role. 

I am here asking for guidance, I have spoken to my manager who has no control or authority. The HR business partner who i have spoken to 4/5 times about this now seems annoyed, unintrested and gives excuses 'it has to be signed of with everyone elses by the director' basically passes blame. I was told by my manager that my pay would be backdated but I don't think this is the case. We all have to pay bills and in the current circumstances a 20%+ payrise is a big deal. How long should I keep waiting for my contract/ T&C changes and what should I do about back pay?

If I had known this wouldn't have sorted out within 6 months I wouldn't have taken the role.

So at the moment, you don't know whether you are in a permanent role or secondment?

You need to stop having discussions with various people and start creating an audit trail should anything go wrong. People may deny discussions or have different recollections to you if problems arise.

Send an email to HR and your manager detailing your understanding of the situation, you are in a permanent role at a salary of £X, and this salary is to be backdated to whatever the start date was. 

Thank you! 
I'm in a permanent role, my manager old manager didn't want to let me go and has been the only person to mention the secondment.

I have one email bit nothing that details what I've 'signed up for'. 

Maybe I'm just slightly frustrated as it seems I've been forgotten about and they just expect me to get on with it.

74jax

I would send an email to HR, stating you took up this role 6 months ago, and list the various discussions.

I would then add that as they are unable to progress this, you will be forwarding your questions to (whoever is next in line) and you are just sending this as a heads up.

I would then contact the next up the chain, state the various conversations, list you are currently owed x amount, you don't want to it to keep acruing, and on what date can you expect this payment. 

RosesRRed1

74jax said:

I would send an email to HR, stating you took up this role 6 months ago, and list the various discussions.

I would then add that as they are unable to progress this, you will be forwarding your questions to (whoever is next in line) and you are just sending this as a heads up.

I would then contact the next up the chain, state the various conversations, list you are currently owed x amount, you don't want to it to keep acruing, and on what date can you expect this payment. 

Thank you for the advice, I do feel however that I'm just being brushed to the side and if I go any higher up about this I will just recieve 'you're wasting my time with this' and then frowned upon lower down the chain.
The best I was hoping from this post was validation for my concern and possibly someone to ensure me this isn't normal practice.
It doesn't help I work in a very male dominant industry and the only woman on this contract so I don't feel I can voice my issues without being criticised.

[Deleted User]

Do not permit yourself to be brushed aside, HR will have their own agenda which appears incongruent with yours. Send an email to your manager outlining your understanding on where the situation has landed and copy in their manager and HR, request a response.

74jax

RosesRRed1 said:

74jax said:

I would send an email to HR, stating you took up this role 6 months ago, and list the various discussions.

I would then add that as they are unable to progress this, you will be forwarding your questions to (whoever is next in line) and you are just sending this as a heads up.

I would then contact the next up the chain, state the various conversations, list you are currently owed x amount, you don't want to it to keep acruing, and on what date can you expect this payment. 

Thank you for the advice, I do feel however that I'm just being brushed to the side and if I go any higher up about this I will just recieve 'you're wasting my time with this' and then frowned upon lower down the chain.
The best I was hoping from this post was validation for my concern and possibly someone to ensure me this isn't normal practice.
It doesn't help I work in a very male dominant industry and the only woman on this contract so I don't feel I can voice my issues without being criticised.

The 'you are wasting my time with this' will be aimed at the person who hadn't sorted it, not you. You have wasted 6 months trying to sort it.  

I wouldn't care less of people lower down frowned on me, if I spent 6 months trying to sort something with them, and they didn't do it then it's their fault. 

I don't believe those lower down the chain, or further up the chain, would wait 6 months to receive the new salary. Why should you.

Tell them what you are owed and ask what date they will pay it. 

TELLIT01

The OP needs to set down in writing each stage of the development of this situation.  State that they have been waiting 6 months for this to be clarified and finalised.  Push it by stating that as it was a secondment they wish to return to their previous role unless the situation is formalised quickly.  It's going to ruffle feathers and may make the OP unpopular with HR for a while, but that will blow over.  The OP is now in a position where they will either be seen as a pushover or somebody who will stand up to HR until things are sorted.

I will admit that I have never had a terribly high opinion of HR departments and their ability to actually do much properly.

RosesRRed1

Here is an update. I was contacted last week to say they had processed my salary and that T&Cs would take a bit longer. Today I recieved a payslip with the uplift but no back payment. I have emailed HR asking a few questions and also to add insult to injury they have not agreed to my salary and reduced my the offer by £3000 per annum.

I shall update this post with any reply I get, also I have been asked by the company to attend a 'women in industry' podcast.