📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Starting business to offset tax/VAT

Bartoni79
Bartoni79 Posts: 150 Forumite
Sixth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
edited 14 May 2022 at 5:22PM in Cutting tax
Hi All,
Is the following scenario legal?
- setting up a business registered to my house but not actually turning over money
- but using it to buy building materials (20kish) (avoiding VAT) for an extension
- then filing accounts to companies house showing zero income but costs only - therefore the business will be loss making 
- I’m assuming filing company accounts will be 1-2k vs the vat saving from building materials for an extension (20k)?

Thanks

Comments

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0 Newbie
    Eighth Anniversary 1,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    edited 14 May 2022 at 6:11PM
    In short - you are setting up a company with the full knowledge that it is never going to trade and, indeed, will be loss making throughout its existence?

  • Bartoni79
    Bartoni79 Posts: 150 Forumite
    Sixth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 14 May 2022 at 6:20PM
    Correct. A lot of companies seem to be “loss making” on companies house. Is that illegal?
  • InMyDreams
    InMyDreams Posts: 902 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 500 Posts Name Dropper
    You don't actually need to register a limited company to register for VAT. Any self-employed person can register their (legitimate) business.

    That said, even if you were running a legitimate VAT registered business (self employed or limited company) you would still not be able to (legally) reclaim the VAT for building materials that were nothing to do with the business and its VATable supplies.

    So your idea is a non-starter, I'm afraid.
  • Jeremy535897
    Jeremy535897 Posts: 10,745 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Fifth Anniversary Photogenic Name Dropper
    If the company spends money on your house, all of that spend is taxable on you as income, even though you have presumably funded the company out of your taxed income. The VAT recovery would probably be denied, and the company would have a useless loss.

    About the worst idea I have heard in a long time.
  • Bartoni79
    Bartoni79 Posts: 150 Forumite
    Sixth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
    Ok - thanks for your comments,
  • Grumpy_chap
    Grumpy_chap Posts: 18,547 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    Bartoni79 said:
    Hi All,
    Is the following scenario legal?
    - setting up a business registered to my house but not actually turning over money
    - but using it to buy building materials (20kish) (avoiding VAT) for an extension
    - then filing accounts to companies house showing zero income but costs only - therefore the business will be loss making 
    - I’m assuming filing company accounts will be 1-2k vs the vat saving from building materials for an extension (20k)?

    Thanks
    It looks like a thought out planned white collar fraud.
  • Bartoni79
    Bartoni79 Posts: 150 Forumite
    Sixth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
    If I was planning a fraud, I wouldn’t post it on moneysavingexpert! I was trying to understand if it was legal as I’m not an accountant.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351.7K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.4K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454K Spending & Discounts
  • 244.7K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 600K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.3K Life & Family
  • 258.3K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.