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Being asked to come into the office 3 days a week on a work from home contract signed 3 months ago
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Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
While the unrest among the staff may be the most important thing for them turning round and saying they've passed probation so now have a 3 month notice period pushes this beyond the pale. They should be apologising to the OP and making it as easy for them to leave as possible; probably with with a month or so pilon. That's not the legal position but it is the decent and honourable one.0 -
Duk said:
Hi,
In January I started a new job with, Better salary, contracted work from home and the job I have wanted for a while.
I understood there would be days that I would need to go into the office due to team meetings (once or twice a month) and development reviews or manager meetings, but I was fine with that. The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation. Today I have been told by my manager that I must attend the office 3 days a week as no one see's me or see's the work I do, other than my manager. I only imagine it's a few more months before its 5 days a week.
Whilst on the phone she told me I passed my probation period, Which means I now have to give 3 months notice instead of 1 weeks notice.
The contract wording states:
"Location:
You will be based at home. You may be required to work at and if requested change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required."Where do I stand with this legally? I do not think I say much? but what is reasonable? what can I do or say to put this right? I do not want to escalate this into an argument with my new employer.
Many Thanks
More Info:
I do not exactly do the same work as my colleagues, I am in a different role, I am compliance and governance, they are customer facing and need to be on site.
I was headhunted by this company from my previous company due to my skill set, they knew exactly where I lived when they offered me the contract and why they offered homeworking as they knew I would not accept or could accommodate driving to the office multiple times a week.* edited for more info
Even the "two year rule" can, effectively, be got around with things like pre-agreed no fault severance packages or an up front "golden hello" etc. It all depends on how much the firm want you and also, to an extent, how senior the position.0 -
Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
While the unrest among the staff may be the most important thing for them turning round and saying they've passed probation so now have a 3 month notice period pushes this beyond the pale. They should be apologising to the OP and making it as easy for them to leave as possible; probably with with a month or so pilon. That's not the legal position but it is the decent and honourable one.
You may be correct, and if the OP walked they might get away with it. They also might get sued, and the employer might win. There might be other adverse consequences of following that advice. And the OP needs to understand that.0 -
Deleted_User said:Thrugelmir said:Ath_Wat said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
I'd just quit and refuse to work 3 months notice; I doubt they could stand it up in court that it was a reasonable requirement to backtrack on that basic condition so quickly.0 -
Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
While the unrest among the staff may be the most important thing for them turning round and saying they've passed probation so now have a 3 month notice period pushes this beyond the pale. They should be apologising to the OP and making it as easy for them to leave as possible; probably with with a month or so pilon. That's not the legal position but it is the decent and honourable one.
You may be correct, and if the OP walked they might get away with it. They also might get sued, and the employer might win. There might be other adverse consequences of following that advice. And the OP needs to understand that.
That can't possibly hold up.
(I am fairly sure that in reality the company would accept 3 months working from home as notice, or agree an early termination, so it would never come to that. All you would have to do is say that it's impossible for you to travel to the office but you are prepared to work your notice from home. They could sack you (which is largely what you want), but they couldn't sue you.)1 -
It is bad of the company to make changes like this to be honest. I would resign.0
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Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
While the unrest among the staff may be the most important thing for them turning round and saying they've passed probation so now have a 3 month notice period pushes this beyond the pale. They should be apologising to the OP and making it as easy for them to leave as possible; probably with with a month or so pilon. That's not the legal position but it is the decent and honourable one.
You may be correct, and if the OP walked they might get away with it. They also might get sued, and the employer might win. There might be other adverse consequences of following that advice. And the OP needs to understand that.
That can't possibly hold up.0 -
Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
While the unrest among the staff may be the most important thing for them turning round and saying they've passed probation so now have a 3 month notice period pushes this beyond the pale. They should be apologising to the OP and making it as easy for them to leave as possible; probably with with a month or so pilon. That's not the legal position but it is the decent and honourable one.
You may be correct, and if the OP walked they might get away with it. They also might get sued, and the employer might win. There might be other adverse consequences of following that advice. And the OP needs to understand that.
That can't possibly hold up.
So if the employer's interpretation of the contract was unreasonable then they might be able to make a claim?1 -
Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Ath_Wat said:Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
While the unrest among the staff may be the most important thing for them turning round and saying they've passed probation so now have a 3 month notice period pushes this beyond the pale. They should be apologising to the OP and making it as easy for them to leave as possible; probably with with a month or so pilon. That's not the legal position but it is the decent and honourable one.
You may be correct, and if the OP walked they might get away with it. They also might get sued, and the employer might win. There might be other adverse consequences of following that advice. And the OP needs to understand that.
That can't possibly hold up.0 -
Jillanddy said:Duk said:Thrugelmir said:Duk said:
The shortest but no means the quickest route is 71 miles to the office, so a 142 mile round trip.
It now appears some of my colleagues are not happy that I work from home and they don't which has put me in an awkward situation.
Management has to look at the bigger picture. When exceptions are made it can easily lead to unrest and disunity. Teams do work better face to face.
This is why it was advertised as a home working job and stated in my contract as "change your normal place of work to another location as reasonably required.", reasonably being the keyword.
Do you think the employers in the USA that currently hire people in the UK would expect them to travel to the office every morning?
(a) The contract you quoted enables them to change the location of the work, and since there is no legal definition of what "reasonable" means, then they can change the location and say that it is reasonable because your home based work is adversely impacting of staff morale.
(b) you have less than six months service. They can dismiss you any time they want for almost anything the want - like not being in the right location - and there is absolutely nothing that you could do about it.
It is foolish to turn to US employment practices as an example, since US employment laws are notoriously some of the worst in the developed world. a US employer would have absolutely no hesitation in dismissing you, and probably without notice.
Regardless of whether your colleagues do the same role or not, the employer is identifying that this issue is causing unrest amongst the staff, and that is a headache for them. Unless they do a total 360, they are not going to accept any compromise that doesn't include time spent in the office, and that doesn't seem practical or feasible for you - or something you are willing to negotiate anyway.
You therefore have no options, and the employer has all of them.
You are confusing people here telling you the truth with being them awkward or argumentative. You came and asked a question, and the answers you got were accurate but not to your liking. Personally, I work from home, seldom go to the office, and I agree with you that many roles can easily be done from home. The problem for you is that my employer agrees that, for whatever reason, it suits them equally well. Your employer tried it, and has found it doesn't suit them. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. If they choose to maintain that position, then you either go to the office, or you resign, or you get dismissed. In your shoes I'd be looking for another job.
OP has every right to bin job off1
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