Disciplinary hearing

Jillanddy

SORN said:

No I am not

Please suggest the best trade union to join which can offer a rappresentative, the hearing will be in 9 days but i also make them pospone it up to 5 days

What do you think the a union will tell you? They will say apologise/ grovel and hope that you aren't sacked. There is no defence against failing to evacuate during a fire alarm. You knew you should do so and you didn't. Anything other than appealing to the employers mercy and asking for a final warning is going to fall on deaf ears. Especially since you also appear to have continued to dig the hole by playing for time and postponing the hearing. 

SORN

I will just get a work colleague for this and I am not going to postpone the hearing 

sammyjammy

SORN said:

I understand it was a silly idea, during the investigation meeting I said I appreciate the letter because it allowed me to learn more about fire allarm. Only after the investigation meeting i learnt about a 2nd fire assembly point, the pathway I had to walk to get my assembly point sometimes is closed, and not knowing the 2nd assembly point would have been dedly. only when you breach a rule then they tell you, people who are missed during fire allarm they might just have the same proplem as I have, I don't think they are doing the right thing not giving fire training

What exactly do you think the drills are?  If we have a drill and our exit is too slow or for other reasons we get more, they want people to evacuate the building in a timely and safe manner.  That is why they PRACTICE

happyc84

not sure if this is real from the OP.


I did my firemans badge in the scouts away back 40 years, different times but at least we trained with a real fire. At work a few years back doing Fire Marshall training we  weren't allowed to use a real fire due to Health and safety. 

What I would say is when your hear a fire alarm - move to the fire exit, and try the route before the fire.

To OP, say you were confused and that you will take fire alarms more seriously next time.

GingerTim

Dare I say that claiming to be confused by a fire alarm may not be the OP's best form of defence.

Ath_Wat

happyc84 said:

not sure if this is real from the OP.


I did my firemans badge in the scouts away back 40 years, different times but at least we trained with a real fire. At work a few years back doing Fire Marshall training we  weren't allowed to use a real fire due to Health and safety. 

What I would say is when your hear a fire alarm - move to the fire exit, and try the route before the fire.

To OP, say you were confused and that you will take fire alarms more seriously next time.

Health and safety gone mad, innit.  They won't even let you set fire to the building during a fire drill any more.

SChitmehard

Jillanddy said:

SChitmehard said:

Jillanddy said:

SORN said:

No I am not

Please suggest the best trade union to join which can offer a rappresentative, the hearing will be in 9 days but i also make them pospone it up to 5 days

What do you think the a union will tell you? They will say apologise/ grovel and hope that you aren't sacked. There is no defence against failing to evacuate during a fire alarm. You knew you should do so and you didn't. Anything other than appealing to the employers mercy and asking for a final warning is going to fall on deaf ears. Especially since you also appear to have continued to dig the hole by playing for time and postponing the hearing. 

Postpone the hearing. Get some legal advice (check if you have legal cover on home/car insurance for free legal advice as union are usually useless/in the pocket of employers). If you have a good reason why you didnt respond to fire alarm say it (medical disability, epileptic fit, didn't realise it was a new fire alarm, make something up if needed etc), apologise if possible. If they let you off OK, if not appeal. If someone else has done same and they don't discipline them in the same way/same punishment then you hit them with an employment claim. Ignore some of the regular posters on here who tell you to grovel, admit everything and get yourself sacked. If I had listened to them I would not now be getting 12k from previous employer!

Have you mentioned how your previous employer has stitched you up to ensure that you may never work again in your chosen field, and how many months you have already been out of work? There's value in telling the whole story - which is that you might get a few months salary, but your career is ruined (that is what you have said) and you were warned not to antagonise the employer more or things could get worse - you did and they did. 

Jillanddy said:

SChitmehard said:

Jillanddy said:

SORN said:

No I am not

Please suggest the best trade union to join which can offer a rappresentative, the hearing will be in 9 days but i also make them pospone it up to 5 days

What do you think the a union will tell you? They will say apologise/ grovel and hope that you aren't sacked. There is no defence against failing to evacuate during a fire alarm. You knew you should do so and you didn't. Anything other than appealing to the employers mercy and asking for a final warning is going to fall on deaf ears. Especially since you also appear to have continued to dig the hole by playing for time and postponing the hearing. 

Postpone the hearing. Get some legal advice (check if you have legal cover on home/car insurance for free legal advice as union are usually useless/in the pocket of employers). If you have a good reason why you didnt respond to fire alarm say it (medical disability, epileptic fit, didn't realise it was a new fire alarm, make something up if needed etc), apologise if possible. If they let you off OK, if not appeal. If someone else has done same and they don't discipline them in the same way/same punishment then you hit them with an employment claim. Ignore some of the regular posters on here who tell you to grovel, admit everything and get yourself sacked. If I had listened to them I would not now be getting 12k from previous employer!

Have you mentioned how your previous employer has stitched you up to ensure that you may never work again in your chosen field, and how many months you have already been out of work? There's value in telling the whole story - which is that you might get a few months salary, but your career is ruined (that is what you have said) and you were warned not to antagonise the employer more or things could get worse - you did and they did. 

All I see from reading the threads is the regular posters saying, fess up, grovel and make it easy for the employer to dismiss you. Great advice if you want to end up with no job, no income, marital difficulties, homelessness. I'd rather have someone like Saul Goodman on my side and keep my job. 

For me things were already messed up and I got dismissed and my legal case made no no difference to that situation. I am proud however that I stood up for myself and the children/adults that were being put at risk. At least the employer now HAD to look into my complaint and it's on record so they WILL have to make some changes = a safer environment for the staff that are still there and the children/adults that rely on the service!  I could have quietly walked away like many of you told me me to, but I didn't and stood up for something.

 If I'd listened to you lot, I would be in the same position but minus 12k and no reference! Instead have taken on the employer, got some employment law experience and practice and got an extra 12k on my pocket and a reference, and given them a bit of a bust lip!!!!